Okay, I get that you're strongly libertarian and want far smaller government.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 25/02/2010 06:56:34 PM
The budget deficit is simple. Cut spending. Drastically. If Congress isn't passing new bills, they shouldn't be spending money. I realize that is unrealistic, and they'll keep doing it anyway, but you seem to be under the delusion that I want anything from Congress, that I accept the absurd idea that they are necessary to run anything or that they should be spending money on even 10% of the things they do spend money on.
What I don't get is that in the face of the obvious fact that you're not going to get what you want any time soon, that Congress isn't going to reduce its powers or its spending by 90% any time soon or likely ever, you prefer a dysfunctional Congress above an at least somewhat more functional one. I'd get it if a dysfunctional Congress spent less money than a better-functioning one, but as we've seen recently, that really isn't the case.
From where I'm standing, it looks to me like you're saying, if Congress doesn't do things the way I want, then I don't care what they do or how big a mess they make of things, and I'm not interested in measures that may improve government, not unless they give me the minimalistic government I want.
And that just doesn't make much sense to me. That is what I called "absolutist".
I WOULD prefer the 17th Amendment be repealed, which would seem to suit the Evan Bayhs who would no longer have to suffer the indignities of running for re-election, and it would suit me, because it would make the Senators answerable to the State governments which would increase their power relative to the Federal government. I do NOT trust the voters either, and deplore that the masses have control of over both Houses of the legislature. When you get down to it, the Senate is actually redundant as things stand. The point of separation of powers and checks and balances is to spread political power and authority into as diverse an array of sources as possible. Direct election of Senators overloads the power of the people and has completely emasculated the States.
Ah. Okay. That makes more sense now.
As for your ridiculous insinuation that I must have some sort of agenda I want to see pushed through, why don't you cite some hypothetical legislation I would be in favor of, or that I would value above my constitutionalist principles? Sen. Bayh gives examples of Senators cutting through the BS in extreme cases, and as far as I am concerned, that is all that the federal government is there for. As for the functions of the country that are hindered by the government's infighting, that result is the fault of the government arrogating to itself those extraconstitutional functions in the first place. And on the other hand, much of the economic troubles have nothing to do with Congress, and everything to do with the Federal Reserve, which is an example of Congress shirking its actual responsibilities. In short, I am glad to see them not functioning because some things they have no business doing, and other things they have removed from their own purview. So the hell with them all.
It's not as if Congress failing to function properly will somehow devolve more power to other institutions, though, at least not to a sufficiently big extent. You may not like that Congress has granted itself the power to deal with those issues, but that's what happened, and a non-functioning Congress doesn't mean those issues get dealt with by others, it just means those issues don't get dealt with at all, or get dealt with in inept and insufficient ways. The exacerbating budget deficit, the costs of Social Security and Medicare that will become unpayable in the future, these are not matters that the states can do much about, not even if you actually managed to devolve some power back to the states, which I don't see any indications of.
And for your rhetorical blather about seeing the whole thing fall apart - why can you not accept that the fates of a pack of wealthy lawyers is beyond indifference to me? Life will go on, with or without the US Congress, and if there are some unpleasant consequences, well, everything has consequences. That's life, and in general, people will get by even if the government falls apart. I am completely opposed to further unconstitutional usurpations on their part in order to keep problems they have started from drowning us. Why don't YOU tell me what is to be so feared about the failure of the national government?
Er. Okay... I was under the impression that even you wanted a national government to take care of national defense if nothing else, and one would assume foreign policy and some other domains. Of course, it's unlikely that those things will really fail as such, but if the government does fall apart, they'll certainly suffer a great deal. One would assume that the individual states would suffer a great deal, as well.
As you can tell, the things that would happen if the government "falls apart" are not something I've given a lot of thought to, because I've never before encountered someone who thought that this was something to aspire to.
And regarding my "absolutist" positions, I find the inability of people to find the core guiding principle at the heart of an issue and stick to it to be a despicable form of cowardice and intellectual laziness, and suspiciously akin to an attempt to be popular rather than face hard truths. You and yours have no real princples, or rather, they depend entirely on whose ox is being gored. You shift and adjust based on what is "nicest" or for some sort of distorted perception of "reasonable." Your implied notion that, in the most important issues, in the most powerful forum, core values and principles should be MOST susceptible to scuttling and disintegrating is completely inverse to any sane notion of reality. Right is right and wrong is wrong, ESPECIALLY in the weilding of great power and ESPECIALLY when the most people or largest sums of money are at stake! You seem to be saying that it's okay to stick to what is right where it is unimportant, but on life or death issues, or in allocating large amounts of money or exerting great force, then you can waffle and equivocate and succumb. I honestly cannot grasp this rationale.
There is a large difference between having principles that one sticks to in one's personal life, and having rigid ideological notions that one insists on enshrining in government come hell or high water. Since a government per definition has to govern people of quite different views and to some extent different principles, I do oppose overly ideological government, yes. You've argued many times before that compromises over abortion don't make any moral sense, and you're quite right of course, but then, morality isn't exactly government's primary worry. Government's worry is merely to find solutions that are acceptable to as many people as possible, and that satisfy more quantifiable kinds of public interest - offering all kinds of services that the people needs, whether we are talking national military, law enforcement, fire departments, tax collection, education system, whatever, at a good quality-price ratio.
"Why I'm Leaving the Senate" - Evan Bayh on the state of the US Senate
- 24/02/2010 10:10:55 AM
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Most of us like Evan
- 24/02/2010 01:13:34 PM
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"Why I'm Glad to See You Go" by a citizen and taxpayer
- 24/02/2010 05:10:40 PM
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+1 *NM*
- 24/02/2010 06:31:46 PM
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You cannot be serious. Might I ask you to write an actual reply? I'd like to hear your thoughts. *NM*
- 24/02/2010 09:20:49 PM
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All right, it will have to be a condensed version though
- 24/02/2010 10:57:50 PM
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Only you could call that condensed.
- 25/02/2010 01:34:50 AM
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- 25/02/2010 01:34:50 AM
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Condensed in topic
I'll try for brevity this time
- 25/02/2010 04:45:38 AM
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I'll try for brevity this time
- 25/02/2010 04:45:38 AM
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I really don't see how you can read that tone into it, because it just isn't there.
- 25/02/2010 10:27:10 AM
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I've explained where I'm deriving this from, if you don't see it I'm not sure...
- 25/02/2010 03:06:53 PM
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You know, you really need to stop that habit of replying to every single paragraph.
- 24/02/2010 10:07:10 PM
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Re: You know, you really need to stop that habit of replying to every single paragraph.
- 25/02/2010 05:47:02 PM
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Okay, I get that you're strongly libertarian and want far smaller government.
- 25/02/2010 06:56:34 PM
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And not 1 mention of term-limits
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- 24/02/2010 07:33:47 PM
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We have this thing called "a ballot box." Why shouldn't directly elected legislators be re-eligible? *NM*
- 25/02/2010 05:50:31 PM
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Well I rather liked it.
- 24/02/2010 11:30:08 PM
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