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Say what? Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM
Most of the Mexican immigrants I've met are here illegally. These parents applied (legally) and were granted entry (legally). I have far more respect for them than I'll ever have for Jose, who shows up, doesn't pay taxes, and uses the local emergency room as his primary care (yes I'm well aware that doesn't apply to all illegal immigrants, so don't nitpick this).

That's... astonishing. Wow. So you have more respect for people who waste everyone's time and resources on such a frivolous matter, and allow an American advocacy group to arrange entry rights in the US for them on such flimsy grounds, than for immigrants who come to the US to work hard and build up a better life for themselves and their family? That's classy. Really.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. Cannoli - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1467 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. Legolas - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 746 Views
Exactly ironclad - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 700 Views
yah...but...but.... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 611 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 463 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 382 Views
That is a load of crap random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 465 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 426 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 377 Views
ahh mk *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 410 Views
Um. Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 309 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 319 Views
Yes? Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 297 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 541 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 516 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 300 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 471 Views
You were the one who said good riddance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 326 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 486 Views
exactly. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 426 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 514 Views
well said Aisha - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 503 Views
This is getting a bit off the discussion. Please keep it civil, everyone. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:55:11 PM 403 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that Isaac - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 754 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 880 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage Isaac - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 756 Views
Yep, exactly. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 545 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 526 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 775 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 764 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 520 Views
The operative word IS mostly LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 719 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters Isaac - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 758 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 727 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it Isaac - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 676 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 666 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry Isaac - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 708 Views
us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:05:27 PM 521 Views
Re: us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:19:21 PM 591 Views
I would agree that households with two working parnets shouldn't home school *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:22:51 PM 384 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 692 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 773 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... Mat Maniac - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1077 Views
I think you may be missing some things random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 816 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things everynametaken - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 884 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 668 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 804 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 637 Views
It depends on the public school. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 673 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 677 Views
"done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 504 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 823 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 735 Views
Well let's talk stats then. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 696 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 616 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 668 Views
you missed my point. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 688 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. Legolas - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 650 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 747 Views
+ ^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 380 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 803 Views
Meh. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 727 Views
one year in a public school LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 775 Views
Re: one year in a public school Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 549 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 678 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 715 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 502 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 612 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 740 Views
I think I have the gist of it, Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 631 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 719 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 641 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 598 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 405 Views
Say what? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 590 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 524 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 647 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 740 Views
figured that. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 626 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 691 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 704 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 619 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 595 Views
I never saw the link random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 511 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 431 Views
that was a mayor, I doubt he would have the final word on the issue random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:46:22 PM 488 Views
You don't have a law about removing children from parental custody? At all? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:43:15 PM 635 Views
They can take your kids from for not sending them to school but not for home schooling them random thoughts - 03/03/2010 10:35:48 PM 643 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 520 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 606 Views
no we don't. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 477 Views
Do you have a better system? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 768 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 571 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 508 Views
we probably would all be better off... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 622 Views
good because Texas is taken random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 630 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 732 Views
Oh, and did you miss the part where the federal government is appealing the decision? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:40:42 AM 388 Views
Absolutely. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 709 Views
I would consider the threat of losing my children because of my beliefs to be a real threat *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:54:08 PM 428 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... trzaska2000 - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 546 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 379 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly snoopcester - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 782 Views
Re: socialising. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 741 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 687 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 559 Views
*agree* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 737 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 599 Views
Re: probably more likely snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 748 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. Tom - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 689 Views
I think you make a good point here random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 731 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 657 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 705 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 569 Views
they tend to beat private schools as well would should flatten out the demographics random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:53:38 PM 655 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 747 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 673 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 604 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Tom - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 516 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 752 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 508 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 645 Views
Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 562 Views
Re: Fair enough Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 969 Views
Re: Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 677 Views
And the wikipedia article you pointed me to had a different study that contradicts your point. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:42:54 PM 602 Views
Religious or *moral* instruction Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:49:48 PM 696 Views
I haven't really "met" you the way I meant it in that reply Tom - 03/03/2010 11:48:11 PM 496 Views
Granted but for our purposes I think people on this site would qualify Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:05:03 AM 662 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 610 Views
His argument on the law of Germany is a bad one generally, though, not just for that reason. Tom - 03/03/2010 03:31:00 PM 526 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... Jeordam - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 788 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 710 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 813 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 762 Views
What you said was: SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 748 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 531 Views
I think so too SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 762 Views
I think the problem there was it was seen as inherently political, that, and showing harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 11:44:21 PM 588 Views
Yes they do. Provided... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 636 Views
One of the reasons... Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 713 Views
that is fair enough LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 601 Views
There is a reason why education until 18 (or 16, depending) is not merely a right, but a duty. Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:00:53 PM 698 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 655 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 404 Views
agree. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 268 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 779 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 748 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 801 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 649 Views
Agrees Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 619 Views
As I said, most people would prefer to have their safety threatened to losing their kids. *NM* Cannoli - 06/03/2010 10:14:52 PM 451 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 538 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 395 Views
*walks in, looks around* ßelals Girl - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 728 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* Macharius - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 500 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 404 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* ßelals Girl - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 389 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* ironclad - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 550 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 728 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? Legolas - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 680 Views
Sorry, nope. SilverWarder - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 480 Views
Oh. Ah well. Legolas - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 649 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... beckstcw - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 609 Views
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