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I would consider the threat of losing my children because of my beliefs to be a real threat *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 02:54:08 PM
There is nothing dire about your children having to spend a year in a school of your choosing while you wait to go through the immigration process properly. Asylum should be reserved for those who actually require it. Not for a couple of parents who disagree with their country's education system. That's something you just tough out during the year or so to get your immigration papers work done.

Not to mention that I'm still confused as to why they moved to the states. Because a US-based advocacy group recommended...the US? I'm sure that was a very impartial and objective opinion.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. Cannoli - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1574 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. Legolas - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 821 Views
Exactly ironclad - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 783 Views
yah...but...but.... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 700 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 498 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 414 Views
That is a load of crap random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 498 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 461 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 408 Views
ahh mk *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 445 Views
Um. Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 345 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 350 Views
Yes? Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 329 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 579 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 551 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 337 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 503 Views
You were the one who said good riddance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 359 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 519 Views
exactly. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 463 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 548 Views
well said Aisha - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 541 Views
This is getting a bit off the discussion. Please keep it civil, everyone. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:55:11 PM 437 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that Isaac - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 847 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 970 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage Isaac - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 844 Views
Yep, exactly. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 629 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 616 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 856 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 849 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 606 Views
The operative word IS mostly LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 799 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters Isaac - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 843 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 808 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it Isaac - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 776 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 756 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry Isaac - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 788 Views
us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:05:27 PM 609 Views
Re: us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:19:21 PM 676 Views
I would agree that households with two working parnets shouldn't home school *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:22:51 PM 422 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 777 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 885 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... Mat Maniac - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1184 Views
I think you may be missing some things random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 896 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things everynametaken - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 974 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 765 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 884 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 724 Views
It depends on the public school. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 771 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 773 Views
"done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 583 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 915 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 825 Views
Well let's talk stats then. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 777 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 695 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 744 Views
you missed my point. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 765 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. Legolas - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 730 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 835 Views
+ ^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 413 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 875 Views
Meh. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 819 Views
one year in a public school LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 866 Views
Re: one year in a public school Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 628 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 776 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 802 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 586 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 700 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 824 Views
I think I have the gist of it, Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 711 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 809 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 722 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 689 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 438 Views
Say what? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 677 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 605 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 723 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 819 Views
figured that. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 701 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 769 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 783 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 706 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 686 Views
I never saw the link random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 589 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 522 Views
that was a mayor, I doubt he would have the final word on the issue random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:46:22 PM 576 Views
You don't have a law about removing children from parental custody? At all? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:43:15 PM 721 Views
They can take your kids from for not sending them to school but not for home schooling them random thoughts - 03/03/2010 10:35:48 PM 732 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 601 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 681 Views
no we don't. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 560 Views
Do you have a better system? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 849 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 658 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 600 Views
we probably would all be better off... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 701 Views
good because Texas is taken random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 718 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 815 Views
Oh, and did you miss the part where the federal government is appealing the decision? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:40:42 AM 424 Views
Absolutely. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 789 Views
I would consider the threat of losing my children because of my beliefs to be a real threat *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:54:08 PM 463 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... trzaska2000 - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 641 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 420 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly snoopcester - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 864 Views
Re: socialising. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 819 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 771 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 636 Views
*agree* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 814 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 709 Views
Re: probably more likely snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 829 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. Tom - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 791 Views
I think you make a good point here random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 808 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 741 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 792 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 649 Views
they tend to beat private schools as well would should flatten out the demographics random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:53:38 PM 737 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 833 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 759 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 692 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Tom - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 597 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 841 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 585 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 728 Views
Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 636 Views
Re: Fair enough Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 1063 Views
Re: Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 762 Views
And the wikipedia article you pointed me to had a different study that contradicts your point. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:42:54 PM 713 Views
Religious or *moral* instruction Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:49:48 PM 774 Views
I haven't really "met" you the way I meant it in that reply Tom - 03/03/2010 11:48:11 PM 578 Views
Granted but for our purposes I think people on this site would qualify Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:05:03 AM 745 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 692 Views
His argument on the law of Germany is a bad one generally, though, not just for that reason. Tom - 03/03/2010 03:31:00 PM 604 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... Jeordam - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 876 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 799 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 895 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 846 Views
What you said was: SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 861 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 617 Views
I think so too SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 854 Views
I think the problem there was it was seen as inherently political, that, and showing harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 11:44:21 PM 670 Views
Yes they do. Provided... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 717 Views
One of the reasons... Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 801 Views
that is fair enough LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 682 Views
There is a reason why education until 18 (or 16, depending) is not merely a right, but a duty. Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:00:53 PM 787 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 746 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 445 Views
agree. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 301 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 864 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 842 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 882 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 789 Views
Agrees Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 706 Views
As I said, most people would prefer to have their safety threatened to losing their kids. *NM* Cannoli - 06/03/2010 10:14:52 PM 495 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 612 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 431 Views
*walks in, looks around* ßelals Girl - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 819 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* Macharius - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 599 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 437 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* ßelals Girl - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 425 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* ironclad - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 641 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 814 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? Legolas - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 767 Views
Sorry, nope. SilverWarder - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 575 Views
Oh. Ah well. Legolas - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 729 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... beckstcw - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 688 Views
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