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Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. Joel Send a noteboard - 05/03/2010 12:11:48 AM
That's ever been their problem, never mine.

More or less my attitude on it too.

Sometimes I feel a very small minority on that. Which is acceptable, but not always pleasant. FWIW, after a few years with this community, I think my contributions as a whole were more positive when I took heat for excessive length as well as the time to say things carefully and with ample qualifiers. People may have teased me for length, but far fewer got mad, and those who did usually got mad because of what I said rather than what they thought I said, because it was a lot harder to misconstrue my statements.
Well, it goes along with my basic thinking on the issue; if a guys snub nosed .38 falls out of his pants in front of a cop when he's on the way to a bank job, he can do a couple years in the state pen for that instead of robbing a bank. In an age when law enforcement frequently "asks" to search vehicles during routine traffic stops it's not an entirely hypothetical or even rarely applicable point. The one time I've denied permission to search, I was asked, "why?" and when I said it was because so many have bled and died for my right to say no that casually surrendering it would be spitting on their graves, I wound up standing by the road while a cop field tested one of my cigarette butts he was SURE was weed. So, yeah, I think laws against concealed weapons can do a lot to prevent more serious crimes, just as laws against felons having a firearm under any circumstances do.

Well, I salute you for saying 'no' on those grounds, though of course I can hardly blame the cops for taking a heightened interest, obviously field testing for a joint is excessive.

I can blame them, because they had no reason to take what I said at anything but face value. Why ask permission to search if you're going to do it anyway? A token acknowledgment of the Fourth Amendment only works if saying, "no" stops the search; if the guy really felt he had probable cause he didn't need to ask permission. But no problem; I happen to be among those liberals (and there are millions of us) who know full well who paid dearly for our freedom to complain, and appreciate it more than I can express. Reminding some ass is a pretty small repayment.
I would say, the counter to your comment in that context then isn't if someone drops their gun on the way to a robbery and gets arrested for it, but rather, from the police's eyes, an assumption someone just had a gun fall off their person is an indicator of criminal intent, this seems as flawed a reasoning as searching your car after be denied voluntary access. As a side note, slapping a ACLU bumper sticker or similar on your vehicle would probably reduce the odds of that re-occurring, as it becomes obvious your objection is based on general and not situational ethics.

Maybe in OH (though that doesn't square with what I've heard of OH) but not in TX, and definitely not in Williamson County. Here the implication you're willing to sue for wrongful arrest and the like is more than offset by how mad the cop will be when he sees the ACLU sticker. And Williamson County Sheriffs (which this was) are notorious; one of my neighbors is a retired trucker who says a California friend still hauling will drive 100 miles out of his way to avoid coming through here.

The main thing with laws against concealed carry is that it will stop law abiding citizens from carrying concealed weapons, so that if you find one in the course of routine police work you already have a charge without needing to find an additional more serious one. It's not going to get anyone 20 years to life, and it shouldn't, but I think it's an effective stopgap. Again, that's coming from someone who thinks gunracks and hip holsters should be perfectly legal; then the only reason I can see for concealment is to say, "SURPRISE! You're dead. " That's not a culture I want to encourage legally or otherwise.
I wouldn't want to guess if concealed weapons bans lower crime, minus that specific crime of course, but they may well do so, just as undoubtedly banning alcohol and drugs would lower the crime rate, not including those specific crimes, in none of these scenarios do I consider that concept a justification for a law. I'm pretty sure crime rates would drop if we put GPS monitors on to everyone too, I don't happen to favor the idea.

Oh, believe me, I hear ya; like I say, I favor allowing people to carry clearly visible weapons, anything short of a LAW, really. The proposition is not reversible; anyone who'll murder won't be stopped by concealed carry bans, but many who'd illegally carry a concealed weapon would never think of murder. But believe it or not, as adversarial as my attitude toward law enforcement can be based on some insane experiences of my own and others (I'm pretty sure I almost got shot one night in Georgetown for having car trouble, and the best part was that once they knew I was just a distressed motorist they left for their cop shop two blocks away) I recognize the police axiom that the most dangerous thing they do is "routine" traffic stops, because they never know whether it's Farmer Brown back from the market or a couple bank robbers with a teller bound and gagged in the trunk. Forcing them to ask if you're carrying a legal but concealed gun just makes life more dangerous for everyone, and something about making an already nervous and armed man more nervous is unappealing.
I'm gonna bypass the Iran-Contra references if you don't mind.

Fair enough, it was a tangent. That said, I do think it was treason, and I also think setting the precedent the US would or could be made to negotiate with terrorists had severe and enduring consequences.
The government isn't obligated to bill you at cost, no, but if they don't you have real recourse, at least potentially. I've got a lot more beefs with Prudentials CEO than with Perry right now; guess which one I can vote out of office in March or November (I get TWO chances with Perry if I vote in the primary!)

I do happen to think it rather inappropriate to vote in primaries of a party you're not in, no real way to stop that sort of thing, but I would not vote in a democrat primary, and I would say ethically speaking, unless you would actually be willing to vote for that person in the general election, you should not vote for them in the primary. It's one thing when third-party types jump ship on their candidate to vote for the lesser of two evils, quite another when people go from a shoo-in primary to vote in the other side's contested primary election. Legally unpreventable but ethically undemocratic, IMHO, I did not participate in Rush's Operation Chaos in Ohio in '08 for that reason, and at the very least that was in direct response to all the mods and libs who voted in the GOP primary earlier to boost McCain. I understand tit-for-tat responses, but I would say this is not the case here, and even when it is it's not exactly a shining moment of ethical behavior.

I understand that, but I disagree with the whole setup for primaries. If we're going to have a two party system where nearly every major office will be filled by either a Democrat or Republican I think the citizens have as much right to vote for both party nominees to an office as for the officeholder in the general election. Why should I be barred from voting for my preferred Republican (or Democrat) Nominee for President just because I voted for the other? If I vote for the Dem nominee (or vice versa) and the other one wins, am I any less subject to his jurisdiction?

I live in TX; a few years ago I voted in my ONLY Republican primary to date for one simple reason: All the candidates to replace the disgusting Williamson County Sheriff (who was caught drunk and relieving himself by the side of the road only to be driven home by cops who recognized him, not once but twice) were Republicans, so the winner of the primary ran unopposed. If I wanted ANY say in my next Sheriff (and given how bad the one running for re-election was, I did) I had to vote in the primary, but when the State Democratic Party called up asking if I wanted to be a delegate to the State Convention, I had to say I couldn't because my voter registration card said I voted in the Republican Primary. I think people should be allowed to vote in all party primaries; it's more democratic, and removes the spoiler effect without disenfranchising anyone.
There's no law that says just because the government offers a given service private companies can't, and that consumers are somehow magically prevented from taking a better private deal if one exists (this, by the way, is what keeps getting lost in the healthcare debate; every socialist country on earth has both public and private healthcare, but the difference is the former insures EVERYONE gets SOME minimum level of care. )

Catastrophic and minimum coverage is genuinely on the table and has been for some time, don't buy into leftist rhetoric they we aren't willing to compromise. Are major concern isn't the idea that there might be some minimum for everyone, but our legitimate fear that once established, the left will keep raising the bar using sob stories, and as you know, that will absolutely happen. It is not a secret that the left's ultimate goal on this is a socialist model, and the better part of a century's worth of New Deal gives us good reason to think giving any ground will just put us in a position where we have to fight off giving more ground each and every election cycle. A minimum universal coverage could only be espoused were genuine super-majorities needed to later increase it, essentially, an amendment defining healthcare to a certain level as a right.

Show Me the Compromise, Jerry. Tort reform instead of healthcare reform isn't a compromise, it's a bait and switch; I'm well aware Republicans want comprehensive tort reform, but that's not the issue we're debating, not the one two Presidents got elected on, so maybe we should have that debate separately and on its own merits rather than in place of healthcare reform. Bringing up the New Deal doesn't help you much there; Republicans started "reforming" it as early as Taft-Hartley in '46 (that's before we consider the conservative SCOTUS rubber stamping the whole thing unconstitutional until FDR attempted an unconstitutional court packing scheme his own party rejected. ) By the time I was born, taking us back off the gold standard (revived by the New Deal) reduced minimum wage to nothing more than a spur to inflation. Deregulation and removing segregation of lenders, investment banks and insurance did the rest under Clinton and, rhetoric aside, that drove the high risk, high interest subprime housing mortgages far more than political pressure to lend to minorities (many of whom pay their mortgages just fine, thank you, and they didn't get all the bad loans either. ) Hell, Reagan even gave us a tax on Social Security benefits that were taken out as taxes in the first place. No, there wasn't "the better part of a century" of New Deal; there was about forty years, from 1933 until 1973. Contrast those years with the ones before and since and tell me how bad the New Deal was. Remember when the evil liberals were in charge and even our enemies respected us morally and strategically?

If you want a supermajority to increase whatever level of care created, with or without medical tort reform worthy of the name (I certainly don't think other torts should be a part of the healthcare bill) fine. But except for the Snowe Amendment I've yet to see a single Republican proposal to provide universal care. We're back to '93, when Phil Gramm got a GAO scale and threw the Presidential Healthcare Bill on it to theatrically demonstrate its size, and Majority Leader Mitchell removed the paperwork, pointed to the empty scale and said, "THIS is the Republican plan!" Show me an alternative (note: Tort reform is not an alternative to universal healthcare. ) Additional note: The current healthcare bill is a dogs dinner than needs rewriting from the ground up, just not for the reasons usually cited.
I don't have a problem with people paying more to drive on a government maintained but privately owned road if they so desire; I just don't want to be forced to do so.

Well, these things tend to be case-by-case, I would say when you can show that people are benefiting disproportionately from a road compared to average citizens using the rest of the highway system, a toll to make up that difference is legit. Then you have the normal 'why can't I cross the freeway' issues from a limited number overpasses, loose rule of thumb, I'd say if any distance of under five miles as the crow flies requires ten plus miles of driving to avoid tolls, you've got an issue, anything 5-20 miles being more than double you've got a problem, and anything adding more than 50% to travel time for longer distances, problem. If it's inside that zone, then practicality trumps, otherwise, no, it's unduly restrictive. Exceptions to that can be dealt with locally, getting the city to cough up money for an overpass if it seems appropriate, etc.

Again, I have no problem tolling an alternate and superior travel route for those who choose to drive it. The tolls should still be proportionate to the private investment though, and people shouldn't be forced to drive it, either by retroactively tolling other existing roads or making the "free" roads too dangerous to drive.
Fair enough; I honestly don't know the mans resume myself, but if he had better legal options in government I'm sure he would've taken them.

Probably.

*shrugs* They weren't talking about A HPV vaccine, but specifically about Gardasil (I believe there is one competing vaccine, but contracts being contracts, it was the only one they were going to administer here. ) They didn't need tort reform, just a private hotline to the Governor. Though that's a great way in itself to get tort reform.

>Very true, but the tort refeorm reference is that most Pharm companies avoid vaccine R&D and often don't even bother marketing a vaccine already developed for fear of class-action lawsuits. This is a case where you can go the opposite direction too, reform doesn't have to limit awards just strictly limit grounds for suits. I think, morally speaking, if Merck develops a AIDS vaccine, and everyone takes it, then 20 years from now 1 in 100 fall over dead, I don't think there a grounds for a suit there, there needs to be proof of outright negligence or deliberate monkeying with test data to warrant lawsuits on a lot of these things, and I'm not sure juries are really in a position to decide that, the problem of civil versus criminal cases, you really have no system of junking BS cases in advance, no grand jury, no prosecutor who can be held responsible for trying utter nonsense cases, etc.

Well, Merck developed an entirely new vaccine and one of their competitors developed a competing one (which was never considered for use by Texas government) so that one's off the table here. As I've said elsewhere, as long as it doesn't become a moratorium, I think limiting grounds for suit is much superior to limiting damages. It prevents ANY damage for suits by people victim only to their own negligence, without preventing real victims and/or their survivors from full compensation when wronged. When I was a few years old State Farm sold my parents (and millions of others) a life insurance policy on me that promised a monthly annuity in retirement once it was fully paid when I turned 25. They subsequently changed that to a $5000 life insurance policy ONLY, and only if I kept paying every month for the rest of my life, even though my mom had already paid more than $5000. A LOT of people sued, were combined into a class action suit, and offered a few hundred dollars each out of the eventual settlement. Clearly, we need tort reform to restrict suits for breach of contract, though I remain fuzzy on what this has to do with healthcare....
Heh, I suppose so; that's actually not a bad counterexample of why "leave it up to mom and dad" isn't exactly a panacea, though it doesn't seem any lasting harm was done in your case. I'm not unsympathetic to the critics position; I think it incumbent on parents to do at least as good a job teaching kids about sex as schools, or at least inform them as much as they're able, but even among we who are sympathetic there's a certain perplexity at people who decry welfare for single mothers of eight AND decry comprehensive sex ed. And make no mistake: I'm a veteran of that debate on wotmanias CMB, and used to taking fire from both sides for my position sex ed SHOULD be comprehensive, meaning kids are taught

I've always believed you're better off teaching to understanding, not fear, when possible, so a lot of times I object to public ed on things like this because it uses fear, not real science and medicine, as it's grounds, kids figure this out, and they toss the bay out with the bathwater.
1) The only 100% effective way of avoiding pregnancy and most STDs is abstinence,

2) If you INSIST on sex many birth control measures are available, of variable efficacy against STDs,

3) There's a right and wrong way to use each of them and

4) None of them has the success rate of abstinence.

It's the right way to teach the subject in schools, IMHO; it's also an equal opportunity offender, offering something for both the "sex, drugs and rock 'n roll111" crowd and the "my kids will never have sex unless someone tells them about it" groups to hate.

Yet, while I agree with this, it has a certain element of fear-mongering to it. Children need to know what the real risks are, statistically, otherwise all those foolish excuses make more sense. We need to instill a clean 'risk management' attitude into kids, then this, and many other things, disappear. Not 'STDs will get you if you have sex' but 'some actions have a much higher chance of having bad results, these should be avoided' because you get this mental barrier from fear that once broken is totally broken in most cases. Drugs are bad turns into 'drugs are fine, now I've smoked some weed I know what a lie this is' whereas an approach of 'Everytime I do one of these I have a cumulative chance of addiction' that while a bit less likely to prevent trying stuff I think wards off more of the real fear, massive quantities of addicts. Teaching on a false premise, that any of us really mind a kid trying a beer when they're 17, leaves fake milestones in the mind, kids see it's illogical, and have personal motives to look for an excuse to do it, they now have the legit grounds to say 'It is stupid to assume there are any greater consequences of me drinking a beer at 19 then at 22, physiologically' and none will be inclined to accept the emotional maturity concept since they regularly falsely rate themselves as more mature than the 'average'. Fear works where realistically true teaching is impossible - trying to explain to a ten year old why stopping at an intersection even when they can see there is no traffic - but is useless when consequence is removed. A teenager knows they will not be thrown into jail for years for smoking weed. As the tool is useless, your best bet is to logically explain the reasoning as you would to an adult, and hope for the best, instead of encouraging rebellious behavior by using logically flawed fear-based reasoning.

I don't think it's fear mongering, it's acknowledging real risks, but not overstating nor marginalizing them. There's an assumption of risk involved and any sex ed worthy of the name should make that understood. I do strongly agree with you that deceiving kids with horror stories destroys all credibility (as an aside I'd like to note that I've seen no research showing marijuana creates physical addiction, though it can create psychological dependence, which isn't the same. ) That's why I think the teaching should be thorough, because if you try to stack the deck by only presenting part of the whole picture, kids WILL find out the rest (either that birth control isn't perfect or that unprotected sex without pregnancy or STDs is common) and that will cast doubt on all the TRUTHFUL things you told them. In some ways that's worse than not teaching them anything; at least that way if they ask you a specific question and you give an honest answer they might believe you.
Likely so; the days when people brought popcorn to watch the back and forth are likely behind us, at least for now.

Well, frankly I enjoy our conversations in the void more because nobody is popping in every other post to insert their political talking points. I get a little exhausted having to rebut or cringe at support from people whose knowledge on a lot of issues feels like I've read the book and they read the cliff notes, or often just the dusk jacket, and now approach everything on the subject with a certain ideological blindness acquired after five minutes of actual study. Conversation that tends to be black and white where the other participant has an a prior assumption on it to begin with.

People used to be a lot less black and white, more thoughtful and deliberate. There are always trolls, but "back in the day" as exhausting as it was (and I was unemployed then; I literally could and did spend double digit hours a day on the CMB) a single thread could generate DOZENS of discussions like this with many diverse, intelligent and reasonable people. It almost never descended into a shouting match, and those who looked for that didn't get much attention, for precisely that reason. That, and the seemingly inexhaustible and genuine caring between members were the two things that made me a wotmaniac. For a lot of reasons, I wish you could've been around for that, wish I'd gotten there years earlier; maybe RAFO will be similar some day, but never the same, and as of now it's not even close. Not that I don't enjoy the one on one with you, and you in particular, but it didn't used to be as hard to have a meaningful, informed, diverse and civil discussion. I've done mea culpas for my role in reducing that, but more and more I wonder how much of it was me affecting the site rather than the reverse.
Why? This is still a democracy, or at least a constitutional republic, right? Even in a republic, if we legislate it we're still talking about what the public as a whole thinks fair; why make it the always awful one size fits all solution instead of letting them decide on a case by case basis of merit? At least a jury will have all the legal and particular facts if the plaintiffs attorney does his job (you can bet the firm on retainer will do theirs. )

Well, it's invariable a tricky area, it's easy to say 'Roof damage, the bill is for 30k, guess what, we're awarding you 30k and some additional expenses, or we're treating it as depreciated since your roof was twenty years old already and you'd have had to buy a new one soon' hard to do that for lost limbs, pain and suffering, etc. At the very least, I'd like established guidelines that were given to the jury and the judge informing them that the to exceed those, the defense has to make the case that it's an exceptional circumstance. I don't believe that could be said to violate the seventh amendment.

No, it wouldn't; technically I don't think capping judgments would violate the LETTER of the amendment (just the whole of the spirit) but such guidelines that still allowed juries to use their own discretion, while ensuring judges were there to prevent juries turned vigilante, is in the same vein as regulations, without outright bans, on firearms. It's a fine line; someone referenced permits for protests earlier, and IMHO that's turned into a legal expedient for repealing freedom of assembly in practice if not on paper. Don't get me started on "free speech areas" which on the UT campus is something completely opposite to what a former Austin resident made it in DC.
The right tends to be a lot more monolithic, in my experience, though, no, not absolutely so. Typically when I see calls for "change" from the right it's "change BACK" and repeal reforms that were instituted for very real and grave reasons. Thus my old quip that Republicans too often want to "reform" a flawed government program the way vets "treat" horses with broken legs. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater may keep your tub clean, but it's not worth the cost.

It's a belief that complex systems tend to develop their own inertia, and that patches are fine but at a certain point you scrap it and redo base don what you know from experience. Bill X v1.1 is fine, Bill X, v 7.5 means write a whole new system, sunset the old one. We could do a much better job on Welfare, for instance, if we simply rewrote it from the ground up now that we have decades of experience with it.

Then, once again, produce the alternative first, if only so there's not a vacuum where anything goes in between abolishing the old system and creating a new one. I'm dubious of the logic there anyway though; laws are written to say they supersede old ones all the time, and there's no reason a comprehensive reform package can't do that. Indeed, it's common. If you want a big rather than small reform, fine, but reform is more than "dump this, kill that, repeal this other. "
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Palin reads Cheat Notes. - 08/02/2010 12:43:02 AM 1448 Views
Is it really worse than reading answers on a teleprompter? sorry, I see no big deal here. *NM* - 08/02/2010 01:02:49 AM 260 Views
yes yes it is. a teleprompter is subtle - 08/02/2010 01:22:17 AM 614 Views
a teleprompter is not subtle - 08/02/2010 02:25:46 PM 548 Views
staring openly and blatantly at your hand is? *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:09:25 PM 336 Views
I think if anyone else had done the dame thing we wouldn't even had heard about - 08/02/2010 06:13:44 PM 549 Views
you're right, we probably would not have heard about it - 08/02/2010 07:56:09 PM 582 Views
Yes for what the notes were - 08/02/2010 12:44:35 PM 578 Views
no biggie *NM* - 08/02/2010 02:00:12 AM 282 Views
Isn't her 15 minutes over yet? *NM* - 08/02/2010 02:45:58 AM 369 Views
This only obscures the rational reasons for duly decrying her political popularity. Moooooooo. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:19:45 AM 333 Views
I disagree, I think it underscores it. - 08/02/2010 03:39:57 AM 546 Views
Or they might believe that a far left liberal - 08/02/2010 04:16:51 AM 565 Views
Calling someone who needs a cheat sheet for their talking points stupid isn't an ad hominem, IMHO. - 08/02/2010 12:13:36 PM 562 Views
soory but your wrong, again - 08/02/2010 02:23:31 PM 517 Views
You shouldn't need reminders of your major themes after two years pushing them. - 08/02/2010 02:55:22 PM 552 Views
That's a bit silly - 08/02/2010 08:40:25 PM 712 Views
I'm perfectly happy to discuss her positions; I just think Huckabee does a better job of it. - 09/02/2010 10:26:54 AM 731 Views
Well, let's discuss some of these points - 09/02/2010 07:13:33 PM 738 Views
Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points - 10/02/2010 09:15:04 AM 770 Views
Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points - 10/02/2010 06:49:51 PM 832 Views
Ironically, Palin seems to agree this is different than using a teleprompter for a speech. - 11/02/2010 09:05:19 AM 731 Views
Again, two seperate things - 11/02/2010 09:51:15 PM 548 Views
Agreed, but Palin and other Republicans, not I, drew the comparison. - 15/02/2010 01:02:25 PM 695 Views
Just to get the obligatory Feinstein comment out of the way... - 15/02/2010 11:43:42 PM 756 Views
Hadn't heard, actually. - 19/02/2010 06:58:50 AM 672 Views
Re: Hadn't heard, actually. - 19/02/2010 08:32:11 AM 669 Views
Ah. - 23/02/2010 09:55:45 PM 745 Views
Re: Ah. - 24/02/2010 01:32:34 AM 692 Views
Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 01/03/2010 03:51:49 AM 687 Views
Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 01/03/2010 11:46:24 PM 903 Views
Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 05/03/2010 12:11:48 AM 773 Views
Random Title - 05/03/2010 02:49:59 AM 704 Views
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Oh dear, who ever let you two get into a subthread together? - 15/03/2010 10:31:24 PM 763 Views
Ben was asleep at the switch, clearly. - 29/03/2010 02:48:46 PM 704 Views
oh yes, and the right never uses ad hominem - 08/02/2010 03:56:42 PM 515 Views
This is petty and also rather ignorant - 08/02/2010 03:59:40 AM 706 Views
There had to be better ways, though - 08/02/2010 08:36:50 AM 469 Views
so you're saying you're as dumb as sarah palin? - 08/02/2010 10:55:00 AM 521 Views
Basically yes - 08/02/2010 06:57:16 PM 579 Views
a couple of points... - 09/02/2010 01:53:29 AM 546 Views
Let me get this straight. - 08/02/2010 03:59:40 AM 623 Views
Okay, folks, it's not that she had a cheat sheet. - 08/02/2010 04:39:06 AM 582 Views
Style is EVERYTHING, dammit! *NM* - 08/02/2010 05:34:14 AM 295 Views
As Cheat Sheet was raised as an objection, so it clearly was - 08/02/2010 06:16:57 AM 685 Views
It's completely unprofessional - 08/02/2010 08:27:47 AM 540 Views
why? - 08/02/2010 02:29:44 PM 560 Views
well it's all she's got going for her. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:10:37 PM 242 Views
You know that's a good question - 08/02/2010 05:19:10 PM 526 Views
maybe you are just projecting - 08/02/2010 06:15:57 PM 531 Views
well what is the association we have with notes on hands? - 08/02/2010 07:58:41 PM 553 Views
or people on the far left are being grossly disingenuous - 08/02/2010 08:18:06 PM 671 Views
dude, only posted it because it was funny - 08/02/2010 08:43:55 PM 528 Views
I agree on your title - 09/02/2010 11:30:11 AM 594 Views
Who cares? She's hot. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:06:58 PM 254 Views
I agree with your first sentence. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:07:31 PM 354 Views
I also totally agree with that first sentence. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:48:24 PM 288 Views
Much ado about nothing. She was just making sure she didn't forget anything. - 09/02/2010 02:00:56 AM 506 Views
No, humble would have been note cards. *NM* - 09/02/2010 05:55:27 AM 259 Views
Nah, note cards can be dropped or lost. - 09/02/2010 03:03:25 PM 529 Views
She's such a retard. *NM* - 09/02/2010 02:46:51 AM 284 Views
Maybe - 09/02/2010 09:29:45 AM 565 Views
No offense, girlie. - 09/02/2010 11:36:55 AM 671 Views
She should have left herself a note... - 09/02/2010 11:04:34 PM 535 Views

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