There's a lot that women themselves can do to help the cause.
Aeryn Send a noteboard - 09/03/2010 12:35:34 AM
It's all about mutual expectations - the employers' and women's expectations of themselves, then leading to self-fulfilling realities.
It goes like this. Gross generalizations (which may or may not be true for various cultures, mostly applicable to America as I know it, and also showing the "worst case" scenario, while there are also plenty of "best cases" where we get CEO's, scientists, senators, etc.)
1) As children, girls play with dolls rather than Legos or constructions sets, which impairs the development of their spacial-visual abilities, critical for abstract math and engineering.
2) Most significant - lack of pressure. A boy grows up knowing that one day he will have to provide for an entire family. A girl does not have those expectations. Consequently:
3) Selecting college majors based on what's interesting, and not will enable her to make a good living to support a family. Frequently choosing "soft" subjects such as sociology, psychology, journalism, etc. And if she encounters a particularly difficult college course, what will be her motivation to stick to it? One must have an ambition, a goal. She might have a dream: I want to be a doctor/rocket scientist. But the general, baseline ambition that's based on a sense of obligation and responsiblity, socially instilled, which I believe is pervasive in men (generalizing here, plenty of bums among guys), is missing.
4) Starting a career with an end in mind - "this is only something I will do until I get married and have children." Looking for flexibility over potential growth. Not being committed enough to it. Not being ambitious enough. Does she ever say to herself, "I need to be making 6 figures by the time I'm 30. Will this job get me there? What do I have to do?"
5) So once a woman is in a low-paying job (with an unspoken expectation - either by her or her employer that she will quit when family takes priority), and she has children, she and her husband have to make a decision: who will be the primary breadwinner and who will either not work or compromise their work (take sick days, leave early, etc.) in order to take care of children. And in a vicious cycle, the person with the lower-paying job makes these concessions.
Or worse, they do math where they say: the guy makes 50k, the woman makes 30k, childcare costs 24k. 30-24=6, the woman might as well stay home. Why does the childcare come out of the woman's salary automatically? It should be: 50+30-24=56k - if both people work, they still have 56k left over after childcare.
6) With that in mind, women look for men who are financially successful. That makes no sense to me.
If you have a iota of ambition, then you should marry a man who makes less money than you, so that when you have children, it's him who has to cut down on work hours and worry about the work-family balance.
Women could push back a lot more than they do.
It goes like this. Gross generalizations (which may or may not be true for various cultures, mostly applicable to America as I know it, and also showing the "worst case" scenario, while there are also plenty of "best cases" where we get CEO's, scientists, senators, etc.)
1) As children, girls play with dolls rather than Legos or constructions sets, which impairs the development of their spacial-visual abilities, critical for abstract math and engineering.
2) Most significant - lack of pressure. A boy grows up knowing that one day he will have to provide for an entire family. A girl does not have those expectations. Consequently:
3) Selecting college majors based on what's interesting, and not will enable her to make a good living to support a family. Frequently choosing "soft" subjects such as sociology, psychology, journalism, etc. And if she encounters a particularly difficult college course, what will be her motivation to stick to it? One must have an ambition, a goal. She might have a dream: I want to be a doctor/rocket scientist. But the general, baseline ambition that's based on a sense of obligation and responsiblity, socially instilled, which I believe is pervasive in men (generalizing here, plenty of bums among guys), is missing.
4) Starting a career with an end in mind - "this is only something I will do until I get married and have children." Looking for flexibility over potential growth. Not being committed enough to it. Not being ambitious enough. Does she ever say to herself, "I need to be making 6 figures by the time I'm 30. Will this job get me there? What do I have to do?"
5) So once a woman is in a low-paying job (with an unspoken expectation - either by her or her employer that she will quit when family takes priority), and she has children, she and her husband have to make a decision: who will be the primary breadwinner and who will either not work or compromise their work (take sick days, leave early, etc.) in order to take care of children. And in a vicious cycle, the person with the lower-paying job makes these concessions.
Or worse, they do math where they say: the guy makes 50k, the woman makes 30k, childcare costs 24k. 30-24=6, the woman might as well stay home. Why does the childcare come out of the woman's salary automatically? It should be: 50+30-24=56k - if both people work, they still have 56k left over after childcare.
6) With that in mind, women look for men who are financially successful. That makes no sense to me.
If you have a iota of ambition, then you should marry a man who makes less money than you, so that when you have children, it's him who has to cut down on work hours and worry about the work-family balance.
Women could push back a lot more than they do.
This message last edited by Aeryn on 09/03/2010 at 12:38:08 AM
I expect the Pro-Choice crowd will have mixed feelings about this
- 05/03/2010 11:14:42 AM
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So...the next Sino-Indian war is only about 10 years away... *NM*
- 05/03/2010 12:49:24 PM
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A modern day Rape of the Sabine Women!
- 05/03/2010 02:14:40 PM
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I can't find myself disagreeing with this article
- 05/03/2010 01:38:43 PM
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The problem is once you give people a tool they'll use it the way they want to.
- 05/03/2010 04:21:25 PM
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I figure that there are two things that will come of this stupidity
- 05/03/2010 02:13:25 PM
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So, they need to follow South Korea's model. I wonder how this will affect same sex coupling.
- 05/03/2010 02:18:31 PM
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I'll never understand why they want it “safe, legal and rare”.
- 05/03/2010 05:53:50 PM
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some people that aren't quite either are lumped in with pro-choice
- 05/03/2010 06:20:27 PM
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How can one logically be neither?
- 05/03/2010 06:36:02 PM
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Then what is the logical moment where it goes from nothing to full person?
- 05/03/2010 06:45:46 PM
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The beginning of higher brain function, which is after the midpoint of a pregnancy.
- 05/03/2010 06:53:13 PM
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That is a pretty poorly defined term to use as a razor for what makes a human
- 05/03/2010 08:04:00 PM
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I want it rare because I want more thinking beforehand
- 05/03/2010 06:46:26 PM
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I don't think that's what most of them mean.
- 05/03/2010 06:54:44 PM
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heh. what exactly are squiky feelings?
- 05/03/2010 07:24:52 PM
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- 05/03/2010 07:24:52 PM
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"I don't like that. I can't tell you why, it isn't logical, but I just don't like it."
- 05/03/2010 07:27:58 PM
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Why? It's the woman's body, she has the right to decide how to apportion her biological resources.
- 05/03/2010 06:56:44 PM
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Why?
- 06/03/2010 03:33:20 AM
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It is true that some socialist countries force the issue
- 06/03/2010 12:22:21 PM
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that still doesn't (logically) explain some things
- 06/03/2010 03:58:19 PM
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And for every sob story like this, there's one about a female boss with a chip on her shoulder
- 06/03/2010 10:08:06 PM
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- 06/03/2010 10:08:06 PM
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I worked for a company that fast tracked female engineers into managment posistions
- 07/03/2010 02:45:22 AM
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I know, I'm not saying there's not discrimination the other way too.
- 07/03/2010 05:35:04 AM
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I just wanted to see how he got from "less average pay" = "less desirable"
- 09/03/2010 12:09:29 AM
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Also, men retire later
- 06/03/2010 05:28:13 PM
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I don't think that is a general rule
- 06/03/2010 05:54:28 PM
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I'd be hard pressed to find any statistics like that
- 06/03/2010 08:23:15 PM
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They don't make corrections - they search for men and women in the same position with the same stats
- 06/03/2010 09:12:46 PM
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There's a lot that women themselves can do to help the cause.
- 09/03/2010 12:35:34 AM
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I think you overestimate how conscious most women's preference for higher-earning men is.
- 09/03/2010 12:41:55 PM
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