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The guy who has managed to face down one military coup from a sector that doesn't want it admitted? snoopcester Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 12:39:46 PM
Erdogan is walking a tightrope. He's opening Turkey up on the issue (and others) to a far greater extent than it ever has been... and by putting pressure on him like the US has, it leaves him in a position where he has to shore up his position by making threats like the one he made.
It isn't progress like I'd like to see but it is realistic progress - if he just stood up and said the Turkish state acknowledges the Armenian Genocide, then a week later there is likely to be a new Turkish leader who isn't elected, says the Armenian Genocide never happened and will take Turky backwards... for which the Kurds and the Armenians will suffer.

What sick logic is this that you and Legolas continually engage in? Why is Turkey continually excused for its atrocities?


It isn't "sick logic", it is facing facts - progress is going to take time.
Further points, it wasn't Turkey that did it. Blaming it on Turkey is like blaming atrocities by the Austro-Hungarian Empire on modern Hungary.
I'm also someone who has made a number of posts about this in the past... but when progress is being made (and it clearly is) then I'm not a fan of rewarding progress with a rolled up newspaper to the road. Which is what has happened - Erdogan has made progress and hung on to power against those who want to stop it... and people who claim to want to see more progress are giving those who would overthrow him ammunition to use.
*MySmiley*

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Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 03:01:42 PM 589 Views
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The guy who has managed to face down one military coup from a sector that doesn't want it admitted? - 18/03/2010 12:39:46 PM 561 Views
Turkey's atrocities against the Kurds are what I referred to. - 18/03/2010 02:00:58 PM 518 Views
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Nicely put *NM* - 18/03/2010 04:22:58 PM 224 Views
Money. - 18/03/2010 05:47:27 PM 416 Views
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I agree. What they are doing now only makes things worse for them - 18/03/2010 08:48:25 PM 399 Views

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