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Why is it so hard for you people to see that the AKP are the "good guys" in Turkey? Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 01:44:13 PM
What sick logic is this that you and Legolas continually engage in? Why is Turkey continually excused for its atrocities?


And that Erdogan's government is responsible for significant progress on almost every touchy issue Turkey has, even if a lot of that was under EU pressure? They aren't the ones who are ultra-nationalist, or the ones who have the biggest issues with acknowledging the Armenian genocide. But the Turkish public is nationalistic enough, even the AKP voters, that these foreign resolutions infuriate them (something you'd think Americans would understand), and anything more than baby steps towards an acknowledgement of the genocide is political suicide. And not only that, but it would bring the tensions between the democratic system and the armed forces and secular establishment to a boiling point, and make it impossible to do things that are actually helpful for today's minorities in Turkey, like the AKP's big "initiative" last year (which failed spectacularly, but through no fault of their own; the government opposed that court decision of closing down the DTP).

So this "sick logic" is simple pragmatism: political grandstanding about the Armenian genocide does more practical harm than good, including to the interests of Armenia. If Armenia wants to try and get closer ties with Turkey, one aspect of which is historical investigation commissions about the genocide, I can't see it as a good thing that American Congressmen pushed by the Armenian lobby in the US go and torpedo that reconciliation process by acting like an elephant in a china store.
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Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians - 17/03/2010 05:10:26 PM 811 Views
Why not let sleeping dogs lie? - 17/03/2010 05:22:34 PM 336 Views
No - 17/03/2010 06:17:50 PM 330 Views
Everyone else knows what happened.... - 17/03/2010 06:35:37 PM 374 Views
Every nation has to come to grips with the "sins of its past". - 18/03/2010 01:30:56 AM 288 Views
Erdogan is the Middle East's Chavez. *NM* - 17/03/2010 06:38:00 PM 160 Views
I think Lieberman has the better claim there. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:39:29 AM 133 Views
Hardly. Lieberman makes sense - 18/03/2010 05:34:43 PM 257 Views
I've read some articles saying otherwise. - 18/03/2010 05:49:52 PM 310 Views
Torpedoing Biden's mission ? What a sad joke. - 18/03/2010 06:22:37 PM 268 Views
Would you like to call it something else? - 18/03/2010 06:26:34 PM 312 Views
Because Obama was looking for a way to get offended - 18/03/2010 06:54:55 PM 455 Views
Your problem is that a "settlement freeze" doesn't impress anyone at all. - 18/03/2010 07:16:55 PM 272 Views
Maybe we should just ask the Palestinians if we can keep Tel Aviv ? - 18/03/2010 07:44:07 PM 245 Views
If you want anyone to be impressed, yes. - 18/03/2010 09:03:11 PM 237 Views
How is it too much when there is a freeze ? - 18/03/2010 09:22:03 PM 307 Views
You call this a freeze? - 18/03/2010 09:43:52 PM 343 Views
Not your sourness silly. Obama's - 18/03/2010 10:15:56 PM 279 Views
Ah. - 18/03/2010 10:22:58 PM 253 Views
And you know what really annoys me ? - 18/03/2010 10:53:13 PM 309 Views
How long are supposed to stop building for? - 18/03/2010 09:32:58 PM 258 Views
How about permanently? - 18/03/2010 09:50:46 PM 327 Views
I don't think i agree that the condidtions for peace or that well known - 19/03/2010 04:32:37 AM 225 Views
Major conditions - 19/03/2010 09:59:37 AM 289 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 01:26:54 PM 280 Views
Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 01:56:24 PM 400 Views
Re: Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 04:47:07 PM 281 Views
Ah, good point there... I was kinda thinking of the West. - 19/03/2010 08:31:11 PM 296 Views
well I wasn't talking about how anyone treated but who was making the decisions - 19/03/2010 09:24:47 PM 345 Views
That really isn't a very useful observation at this point, though. - 19/03/2010 09:32:30 PM 254 Views
Man, your analysis is weird - 20/03/2010 11:24:40 AM 547 Views
I'm a bit confused what you're saying exactly... - 20/03/2010 04:10:14 PM 292 Views
How so ? - 20/03/2010 11:04:30 PM 238 Views
It was over because Israel wanted it to be over. - 20/03/2010 11:24:33 PM 273 Views
Maybe. - 21/03/2010 12:23:58 AM 347 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 03:01:42 PM 390 Views
They don't exactly have much that they *can* give up. - 19/03/2010 10:46:35 AM 304 Views
I don't want them to give up anything more then the violience - 19/03/2010 01:55:51 PM 292 Views
That's simple enough: Israel is a first world state. - 19/03/2010 02:13:17 PM 251 Views
That is a little thin - 19/03/2010 03:27:10 PM 329 Views
Israel has been a democracy since its inception - 19/03/2010 04:01:30 PM 349 Views
Okay, two things first... - 19/03/2010 08:59:57 PM 350 Views
That's ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 06:53:40 PM 330 Views
Truly I cannot answer that. - 18/03/2010 07:00:58 PM 250 Views
It is pretty crude - 17/03/2010 11:15:28 PM 350 Views
This. Nicely put. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:29:02 AM 131 Views
Why is recognizing a 100-year-old evil in his country's past "backing him into a corner"???? - 18/03/2010 11:41:05 AM 299 Views
The guy who has managed to face down one military coup from a sector that doesn't want it admitted? - 18/03/2010 12:39:46 PM 379 Views
Turkey's atrocities against the Kurds are what I referred to. - 18/03/2010 02:00:58 PM 296 Views
Ah, well that is a different matter - 18/03/2010 02:31:58 PM 351 Views
Why is it so hard for you people to see that the AKP are the "good guys" in Turkey? - 18/03/2010 01:44:13 PM 269 Views
There are no "good guys" in Turkey, at least not in the government. - 18/03/2010 01:57:44 PM 248 Views
Equating the two is ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 02:13:37 PM 382 Views
My issues are not with a lack of democracy and I don't equate the AKP and the military - 18/03/2010 02:35:00 PM 374 Views
The AKP is not anti-American. - 18/03/2010 03:02:00 PM 271 Views
Its better than the alternative - 18/03/2010 01:11:07 AM 406 Views
So they respond to claims of genocide with threats of ethnic cleansing? Terrible. Just terrible. - 18/03/2010 11:39:31 AM 285 Views
Nicely put *NM* - 18/03/2010 04:22:58 PM 135 Views
Money. - 18/03/2010 05:47:27 PM 240 Views
Unlikely. - 18/03/2010 08:51:28 PM 263 Views
I agree. What they are doing now only makes things worse for them - 18/03/2010 08:48:25 PM 224 Views

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