My issues are not with a lack of democracy and I don't equate the AKP and the military
Tom Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 02:35:00 PM
I do ultimately want to see all nations have the right to choose their leaders, but my issue with Turkey doesn't have to do with a lack of democracy.
My issue with Turkey is that we get to choose between ultranationalist butchers and anti-American shits. Both deny the Armenian genocide and actually seem to somehow blame the victims. It's horrible and unconscionable. I don't see either of these as a good alternative.
I also fail to see what Russia has to do with any of this. Russia has recognized the dark pages of its own past - President Medvedev recently made yet more statements about the brutal murders and Gulag system, and there are monuments in Russia erected to the memory of the victims of Stalinism. As in virtually any country, yes, there are people who deny the past or seek to whitewash it, but it is not a crime in Russia to "insult Russian-ness" or publish books that expose the full scope of the Terror, the brutalities of the Red Army in Russia's Civil War or nearly any other act of evil committed in Russia at any time.
My issue with Turkey is that we get to choose between ultranationalist butchers and anti-American shits. Both deny the Armenian genocide and actually seem to somehow blame the victims. It's horrible and unconscionable. I don't see either of these as a good alternative.
I also fail to see what Russia has to do with any of this. Russia has recognized the dark pages of its own past - President Medvedev recently made yet more statements about the brutal murders and Gulag system, and there are monuments in Russia erected to the memory of the victims of Stalinism. As in virtually any country, yes, there are people who deny the past or seek to whitewash it, but it is not a crime in Russia to "insult Russian-ness" or publish books that expose the full scope of the Terror, the brutalities of the Red Army in Russia's Civil War or nearly any other act of evil committed in Russia at any time.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians
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Why not let sleeping dogs lie?
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Erdogan is the Middle East's Chavez. *NM*
17/03/2010 06:38:00 PM
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I think Lieberman has the better claim there. *NM*
18/03/2010 03:39:29 AM
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Hardly. Lieberman makes sense
18/03/2010 05:34:43 PM
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I've read some articles saying otherwise.
18/03/2010 05:49:52 PM
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Torpedoing Biden's mission ? What a sad joke.
18/03/2010 06:22:37 PM
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Would you like to call it something else?
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Because Obama was looking for a way to get offended
18/03/2010 06:54:55 PM
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Your problem is that a "settlement freeze" doesn't impress anyone at all.
18/03/2010 07:16:55 PM
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Maybe we should just ask the Palestinians if we can keep Tel Aviv ?
18/03/2010 07:44:07 PM
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If you want anyone to be impressed, yes.
18/03/2010 09:03:11 PM
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How is it too much when there is a freeze ?
18/03/2010 09:22:03 PM
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You call this a freeze?
18/03/2010 09:43:52 PM
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Not your sourness silly. Obama's
18/03/2010 10:15:56 PM
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How long are supposed to stop building for?
18/03/2010 09:32:58 PM
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How about permanently?
18/03/2010 09:50:46 PM
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I don't think i agree that the condidtions for peace or that well known
19/03/2010 04:32:37 AM
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Major conditions
19/03/2010 09:59:37 AM
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Re: Major conditions
19/03/2010 01:26:54 PM
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Seriously, what conflict are you looking at?
19/03/2010 01:56:24 PM
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Re: Seriously, what conflict are you looking at?
19/03/2010 04:47:07 PM
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Ah, good point there... I was kinda thinking of the West.
19/03/2010 08:31:11 PM
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well I wasn't talking about how anyone treated but who was making the decisions
19/03/2010 09:24:47 PM
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That really isn't a very useful observation at this point, though.
19/03/2010 09:32:30 PM
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Man, your analysis is weird
20/03/2010 11:24:40 AM
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I'm a bit confused what you're saying exactly...
20/03/2010 04:10:14 PM
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How so ?
20/03/2010 11:04:30 PM
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They don't exactly have much that they *can* give up.
19/03/2010 10:46:35 AM
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I don't want them to give up anything more then the violience
19/03/2010 01:55:51 PM
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That's simple enough: Israel is a first world state.
19/03/2010 02:13:17 PM
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It is pretty crude
17/03/2010 11:15:28 PM
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Why is recognizing a 100-year-old evil in his country's past "backing him into a corner"????
18/03/2010 11:41:05 AM
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The guy who has managed to face down one military coup from a sector that doesn't want it admitted?
18/03/2010 12:39:46 PM
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Why is it so hard for you people to see that the AKP are the "good guys" in Turkey?
18/03/2010 01:44:13 PM
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There are no "good guys" in Turkey, at least not in the government.
18/03/2010 01:57:44 PM
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Equating the two is ridiculous.
18/03/2010 02:13:37 PM
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My issues are not with a lack of democracy and I don't equate the AKP and the military
18/03/2010 02:35:00 PM
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So they respond to claims of genocide with threats of ethnic cleansing? Terrible. Just terrible.
18/03/2010 11:39:31 AM
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I agree. What they are doing now only makes things worse for them
18/03/2010 08:48:25 PM
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