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Why is it so hard for you people to see that the AKP are the "good guys" in Turkey? Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 01:44:13 PM
What sick logic is this that you and Legolas continually engage in? Why is Turkey continually excused for its atrocities?


And that Erdogan's government is responsible for significant progress on almost every touchy issue Turkey has, even if a lot of that was under EU pressure? They aren't the ones who are ultra-nationalist, or the ones who have the biggest issues with acknowledging the Armenian genocide. But the Turkish public is nationalistic enough, even the AKP voters, that these foreign resolutions infuriate them (something you'd think Americans would understand), and anything more than baby steps towards an acknowledgement of the genocide is political suicide. And not only that, but it would bring the tensions between the democratic system and the armed forces and secular establishment to a boiling point, and make it impossible to do things that are actually helpful for today's minorities in Turkey, like the AKP's big "initiative" last year (which failed spectacularly, but through no fault of their own; the government opposed that court decision of closing down the DTP).

So this "sick logic" is simple pragmatism: political grandstanding about the Armenian genocide does more practical harm than good, including to the interests of Armenia. If Armenia wants to try and get closer ties with Turkey, one aspect of which is historical investigation commissions about the genocide, I can't see it as a good thing that American Congressmen pushed by the Armenian lobby in the US go and torpedo that reconciliation process by acting like an elephant in a china store.
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Erdogan is the Middle East's Chavez. *NM* - 17/03/2010 06:38:00 PM 241 Views
I think Lieberman has the better claim there. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:39:29 AM 210 Views
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I've read some articles saying otherwise. - 18/03/2010 05:49:52 PM 497 Views
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How is it too much when there is a freeze ? - 18/03/2010 09:22:03 PM 486 Views
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Not your sourness silly. Obama's - 18/03/2010 10:15:56 PM 457 Views
Ah. - 18/03/2010 10:22:58 PM 434 Views
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Major conditions - 19/03/2010 09:59:37 AM 458 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 01:26:54 PM 471 Views
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Re: Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 04:47:07 PM 445 Views
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That really isn't a very useful observation at this point, though. - 19/03/2010 09:32:30 PM 435 Views
Man, your analysis is weird - 20/03/2010 11:24:40 AM 734 Views
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Maybe. - 21/03/2010 12:23:58 AM 519 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 03:01:42 PM 592 Views
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Truly I cannot answer that. - 18/03/2010 07:00:58 PM 446 Views
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Why is recognizing a 100-year-old evil in his country's past "backing him into a corner"???? - 18/03/2010 11:41:05 AM 486 Views
The guy who has managed to face down one military coup from a sector that doesn't want it admitted? - 18/03/2010 12:39:46 PM 564 Views
Turkey's atrocities against the Kurds are what I referred to. - 18/03/2010 02:00:58 PM 521 Views
Ah, well that is a different matter - 18/03/2010 02:31:58 PM 527 Views
Why is it so hard for you people to see that the AKP are the "good guys" in Turkey? - 18/03/2010 01:44:13 PM 456 Views
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Equating the two is ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 02:13:37 PM 677 Views
My issues are not with a lack of democracy and I don't equate the AKP and the military - 18/03/2010 02:35:00 PM 586 Views
The AKP is not anti-American. - 18/03/2010 03:02:00 PM 476 Views
Its better than the alternative - 18/03/2010 01:11:07 AM 617 Views
So they respond to claims of genocide with threats of ethnic cleansing? Terrible. Just terrible. - 18/03/2010 11:39:31 AM 459 Views
Nicely put *NM* - 18/03/2010 04:22:58 PM 226 Views
Money. - 18/03/2010 05:47:27 PM 419 Views
Unlikely. - 18/03/2010 08:51:28 PM 440 Views
I agree. What they are doing now only makes things worse for them - 18/03/2010 08:48:25 PM 402 Views

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