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Re: Good...? Joel Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 04:15:16 PM
That's like saying, "someone dinged my car; I think I'll set it on fire for the insurance money. " :P It's a good example of why I wouldn't trust the likes of Coulter to "rehabilitate" any term though. ;) She seriously needs to eat more; that's neither here nor there to her politics, but I can't believe she's healthy being that emaciated.

I never really think of her as emaciated, a bit skinny and bony. Fun to listen to too, it's like all raw, red meat. She and Michael Moore are like the Texas Steakhouse of political nutrition, they really raise your blood pressure. :P

The woman would snap in two in a strong wind. :P Maybe I'm sensitive from the days when wotmaniacs would teasingly offer her up as a "leggy blonde" but politics weren't the only problem for me there; I don't want to be impaled by my girlfriend. ;) As to the politics, I'll go further: They raise your blood pressure and do other things that are bad for you. Moore has been known to make some good points, and maybe Coulter has, too, but in both cases it's buried in such sensationalism and hyperbole that the VALID arguments are easy to miss and seldom worth the trouble to find.
Don't even get me started on those two jokers, who've aptly demonstrated they were always about politics and merely used religion as a vehicle for it. Reed virtually ruined the Christian Coalition as a religious activist organization by offering their call list to the highest right wing bidder, and Robertsons pedigree is being the son of a former Democratic House member; apart from the one he FOUNDED I'm aware of no seminary he's ever attended (and I HAVE looked. ) I honestly believe that inside they are ravening wolves. The moral of the story is don't take everything that comes from the nearest pulpit as gospel (and yes, that applies to the Jeremiah Wrights as well, though I personally think he got caught up in his own rhetoric more than anything, but that's just one more reason to keep politics and religion distinct. )

Oh, you can beat up on the whole lot of them all day long, though I will say that none of them, from Robertson to Wright, are at the full-blown Farrakhan level of vileness, I believe they still qualify as 'primarily sane, should not be tarred and feathered except metaphorically'
Each dangerous though, particularly the ones clearly promoting purely political agendas under the cloak of religion. Honestly, the right wing takeover of the Southern Baptists has done more damage to the Church than to the nation (and the damage to the latter is significant. ) I'll send you an article on how it began later, if I can keep it in my head long enough; it happened to be in my hometown so I've got a special edition of the Chronicle printed for the week long Southern Baptist Convention that turned into a political sideshow with enduring consequences for the whole country. These people are a threat to the country and to the Church, which makes them doubly inexcusable to me.
It helped immensely that Atwater had no restraint or shame in how he went after the man. Not that he was alone; I believe it was Pat Buchanan who asked him, as a debate "moderator, " how he'd treat a man who raped and murdered his wife. Classy.

Nope, not Buchanan, got the video linked below, plus Bush defending Quayle. The moderator should have been slapped for asking both questions, but Bush gave a decent answer, actually Dukakis gave a reasonable one too but such is life, both questions were low-brow IMHO.

No win situation; believe it or not, Dukakis was attacked for a non-emotional response to the prospect of his wife being raped and murdered. Of course, if he goes off in a justifiable rant at Bernard Shaw he's equally screwed. "Governor, did you beat Kitty again last night?" :rolleyes: I don't think asking Bush about Quayles qualifications was out of bounds, though the manner was pretty over the top. But then, I was always in the camp that believed Bush only picked Quayle as a running mate who wouldn't overshadow him, since, at the time, he was widely seen as a weak candidate (at least until he decided to "fix" the "wimp problem" by lashing out at Dan Rather in an interview, the start of a feud that would ultimately end Rathers career after what I strongly suspect was a setup, but that's a whole other debate I'd prefer not to reenter. )
I like "progressive" because I associate it with some true giants of American political thought, and also because it could help defuse the culture wars. Everyone remembers Bryan vs. Darrow in the Scopes trial,

Don't get me started on the Scopes Trial, I'm firmly believe everyone involved should've been flogged for using the court as a political theater. OJ Simpson's trial had nothing on that fiasco.

Necessary evil; if you're going to ban something from the schools you better be able to justify the law. That's one of the things the courts are for, y'know, and the best way to expose and draw attention to a bad law is to get someone prosecuted for doing the right thing. Which is why the ACLU ran ads in Tennessee papers looking for a teacher willing to teach evolution. Not the point though, my point was that Darrow and Bryan were very much on the opposite side of THAT issue, but had a life long friendship built around all the other populist issues for which they fought long and hard together.
but most people ignore the fact Bryan and Darrow were actually good friends and long time allies dating from a generation earlier when they were both labor activists, the one as the three time Democratic Presidential nominee and the other as a labor lawyer. And of course the founders of the Progressive Party were Republicans like TR and Robert La Follette who were just as disgusted by rampant corporate monopolies and other abuses as I am. There are, after all, several terms that carry the community and social justice oriented connotations you reference, but "populist" has become synonymous with demagoguery, and I certainly don't expect any American leftist to successfully promote communism any time soon. ;) Really, I still think socialism better than communism anyway, because including elements of both capitalism and communism helps mitigate the worst excesses of both.

I think these days everyone has more or less agreed that communism is dead and totally unbridled capitalism doesn't fly, nor is anyone pushing for populism very strongly, and demarchy seems safely limited to the jury system. But on the realistic spectrum between vital-services socialism and anti-trust/cartel plus safety regulation I have to say I think we're better off shifting mostly to the right on that right now. While one can acknowledge that in theory there is a legit reason to do single-payer NHC as long as those same ideological elements attempt to push things like the Fairness Doctrine or banning salt in food preparation they can't be trusted not to use those new powers NHC would give for either political gain or simply going over-the-top. The left has done a very bad job reining in it's fringe this last decade or so, so I don't think a good case can be made to entrust them on this. I don't like slippery-slope analogies, but I really would be a heck of a lot more receptive to a lot of the suggested legislation from the left if they didn't always end up happening and leaving bloated expansionists bureaucracies and programs in their wake. There will be wild calls for punitive taxes on various unhealthy things, and it will have mass appeal, give it a decade and anything not on the health-nazi 'advised diet' will be taxed, I doubt it will turn as vicious as it has on cigarettes, but even that wouldn't surprise me. NExt thing you know will have people pulling a Charles Heston "You'll get my Big MAc when you pry it from my cold dead hands"

I don't know that the lefts fringe is all that out of control nationally; they certainly haven't floated anything like a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage or banning late term abortions they already got banned. The last one is kind of impressive, really; the far right wouldn't let a little thing like already getting their way on an issue keep them from using it to lure uninformed voters to the polls. Sure, the fringe left has gotten out of control in local areas where they aren't considered "fringe" but on a national level I can't really think of much. The Assault Weapons Ban, maybe? Bush took care of that one though, so Kalashnikov owners everywhere can sleep free and easy.

I'd be happy to see some real federal insurance regulation, but I'm not holding my breath and don't think it would do a darned thing to expand coverage. Of course, long term, neither will this bill, because without effective cost controls health insurance will ultimately become too expensive for the government to afford, too (as is already happening with Medicare, just not at the rate of private insurance because Medicare is single payer. ) The bottom line is that no industrialized nation can let the price of things everyone needs to survive be set by market forces alone, because the one (and only) time suppliers set prices is when they're supplying something without which people can't live.
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If you could ban some words from political discourse, which would you ban? - 13/03/2010 06:35:25 AM 1311 Views
Working Families, Red Hot Go, Silver Bullet - 13/03/2010 06:46:43 AM 535 Views
I'm not sure if you're against labels or just Bob Seger. *NM* - 13/03/2010 05:15:20 PM 281 Views
well, anything to do with the other side. - 13/03/2010 03:41:12 PM 520 Views
Especially concerning their youth and inexperience *NM* - 14/03/2010 11:22:13 AM 306 Views
all of them. - 13/03/2010 04:42:02 PM 553 Views
I'm sure the one-fingered salute would turn up more frequently, then. - 14/03/2010 02:31:34 PM 494 Views
nah, it would just require the radio people to be more creative - 14/03/2010 06:52:29 PM 583 Views
Two: Bipartisan and progressive. - 13/03/2010 05:14:36 PM 516 Views
"progressive" was created to get around the "liberal" label the right uses - 13/03/2010 06:00:40 PM 532 Views
Does the right really have the power to make a word dirty? - 13/03/2010 06:27:46 PM 547 Views
considering that "liberal" has taken the place of "communist" for "something bad" i'd say yes - 13/03/2010 07:07:21 PM 484 Views
There's a flawed premise in there though - 13/03/2010 10:43:58 PM 559 Views
Re: There's a flawed premise in there though - 14/03/2010 09:34:58 AM 596 Views
Re: There's a flawed premise in there though - 14/03/2010 02:56:45 PM 548 Views
If that's the case you should try to reclaim the word, not demonize it. - 15/03/2010 08:14:11 AM 607 Views
It probably will be down the road - 15/03/2010 04:59:58 PM 626 Views
Good...? - 15/03/2010 09:17:22 PM 671 Views
Re: Good...? - 15/03/2010 10:20:53 PM 697 Views
Re: Good...? - 29/03/2010 04:15:16 PM 601 Views
Joel and Isaac prepare to hijack another thread - 30/03/2010 01:15:40 AM 734 Views
As long as I get top billing. - 03/04/2010 11:54:38 AM 685 Views
Re: As long as I get top billing. - 03/04/2010 12:50:54 PM 633 Views
Re: As long as I get top billing. - 04/04/2010 01:33:27 PM 553 Views
Re: As long as I get top billing. - 04/04/2010 02:59:07 PM 682 Views
Re: As long as I get top billing. - 06/04/2010 03:18:15 AM 615 Views
Heh. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. *edit* - 14/03/2010 02:26:12 PM 487 Views
I know, but it's still a bad description. *NM* - 14/03/2010 05:14:26 PM 220 Views
Not CREATED for that purpose, just dusted off for it. - 15/03/2010 07:34:19 AM 490 Views
I woulkd say the left made the word liberal dirty - 15/03/2010 05:15:24 PM 480 Views
it must be a terrible terrible burden on you to have all the answers to everything... *NM* - 15/03/2010 11:08:04 PM 321 Views
just as being stupid must be a burden for you *NM* - 16/03/2010 02:06:43 PM 243 Views
what? no sandy vagina comment? you're slipping.... *NM* - 16/03/2010 02:51:19 PM 275 Views
but you are still boringly predictable - 16/03/2010 03:23:26 PM 456 Views
actually, no it's just you. *NM* - 16/03/2010 11:12:21 PM 256 Views
How's that paranoia treating you? - 16/03/2010 12:53:31 AM 517 Views
how is that head in sand treating you? - 16/03/2010 02:19:54 PM 523 Views
Re: how is that head in sand treating you? - 16/03/2010 09:07:09 PM 669 Views
Which fringe group do you believe I belong to? - 16/03/2010 10:23:53 PM 424 Views
if all of this is true.... - 16/03/2010 11:17:19 PM 523 Views
I am a militant moderate - 18/03/2010 01:45:40 PM 464 Views
as always, i have to disagree - 18/03/2010 05:30:09 PM 518 Views
unlike the way you use right-winger? - 18/03/2010 06:50:12 PM 1137 Views
*NM* - 14/03/2010 02:25:01 PM 305 Views
Pro-torture *NM* - 13/03/2010 06:27:10 PM 407 Views
I get your point, but it wouldn't work anyway - 13/03/2010 07:20:58 PM 548 Views
transparency - because english politics fricking isn't. *NM* - 13/03/2010 10:11:59 PM 221 Views
none are these days - 13/03/2010 10:23:03 PM 688 Views
hope and change *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:32:34 PM 390 Views
i hope you could change your mind about that *NM* - 14/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 238 Views
bah. - 15/03/2010 12:24:51 AM 738 Views
None, - 15/03/2010 11:08:11 AM 576 Views
Words/phrases that I would abolish: - 15/03/2010 02:41:51 PM 645 Views
Bah. - 15/03/2010 03:05:20 PM 573 Views
Re: Bah. - 15/03/2010 03:11:47 PM 561 Views
Save the puns for damookster! - 15/03/2010 03:15:24 PM 561 Views
ROFL *NM* - 15/03/2010 03:17:07 PM 292 Views
XD *NM* - 15/03/2010 05:51:13 PM 319 Views
Re: Words/phrases that I would abolish: - 15/03/2010 04:27:21 PM 626 Views
Re: Words/phrases that I would abolish: - 15/03/2010 04:48:48 PM 580 Views
Re: Words/phrases that I would abolish: - 15/03/2010 05:32:30 PM 628 Views
I thought we settled that issue long ago here (well, wotmania) - 15/03/2010 04:48:02 PM 467 Views
hahaha *NM* - 15/03/2010 04:50:29 PM 235 Views
leave to a liberal to want to ban words they don't like *NM* - 15/03/2010 05:10:19 PM 262 Views
Re: leave to a liberal to want to ban words they don't like - 15/03/2010 05:38:24 PM 501 Views
That was weak - 15/03/2010 05:48:34 PM 488 Views
at least it mirrored your original comment. *NM* - 15/03/2010 05:53:34 PM 284 Views
to bad it didn't mirror reality - 15/03/2010 08:33:18 PM 446 Views
sure, the right doesn't say "don't say that" - 15/03/2010 11:00:56 PM 463 Views
which terms that the left uses did he suggest removing? - 16/03/2010 03:20:21 PM 520 Views
you misspoke - 16/03/2010 12:36:23 AM 584 Views
that is often true but I don't think it is true now - 16/03/2010 04:12:18 PM 635 Views
Re: that is often true but I don't think it is true now - 16/03/2010 09:34:42 PM 677 Views
Al Franken is a joke right? - 16/03/2010 10:31:41 PM 485 Views
Re: Al Franken is a joke right? - 17/03/2010 05:34:25 PM 528 Views
Getting a bit excessive - 17/03/2010 05:49:42 PM 483 Views
Hear, hear. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:30:33 AM 232 Views

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