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None; if the other side frames an issue better than you, that's your fault, not theirs. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 07:55:57 AM
Words have always been complicated. They accrue and change meanings with little to no warning, based on time and distance. That said, there are some that I would very much like to see removed from the discourse, just in interests of getting people back on the same page.

Case numero uno? Liberal. Cut it out, burn it, send it down the river and find another way to describe the left side of American politics. The term has come to be owned almost entirely by right wing pundits, and I doubt there is any reclaiming it. It has become a bad word, and imprecise, besides. No group of people can ever be described as Monolithic, anyway, but the word Liberal has come to be this fearsome THEM that is, apparently, trying to destroy America. It's been attached to so many issues that I doubt you could find a single instance of a true "liberal" in the sense the pundits use the term.

I don't know if conservative, it's opposite number, has the same feelings for those who are most traditionally placed under it. On the whole, the word conservative seems to be a badge of pride for those who claim it. If so, they are welcome to it. I am actually curious as to whether or not that is the case.

There, you've diagnosed it right there: "conservative" isn't as widely derided as "liberal" because conservatives refuse to be ashamed of it just because the opposition says they should be. They DO proudly associate themselves with the word rather than fleeing it as most Democrats do "liberal. " It's a bad position from which to start, because when you begin by trying to rebrand positions you KNOW are liberal as something else you're conceding that the other side is right to oppose them AND being dishonest into the bargain.

Pro-Life: I say this only because so many supposedly Pro-Life people also support the death penalty, as well as cutting aid to single mothers who didn't have abortions. I think they should either be actually pro-life, or just own Pro-Fetus. As a conciliatory move, if anyone can come up with a soundbyte version of "Pro-Choice for expectant mothers over their own bodies" then feel free to make both sides change.

Yes, the left let the right out rhetoric them again; once again, whose fault is that? And they haven't even all learned their lesson; "liberals" are nearly as likely as conservatives to call late term abortions "partial birth abortions. "
Family Values: Whose Family? Yours? Mine? Your boyfriends? His boyfriends? Can we all just admit that the words "Family Values Candidate" has become one of the biggest jokes of American Politics and save some poor closeted future Senator the humiliation?

In a word, no, because I think there needs to be an accounting for the Family Values Partys devaluing families, and because valuing families is very much a part of effective politics, IMHO. Families are one of the few "demographics" to which pretty much everyone belongs, but the people who invoke the term routinely do so as a means of defining themselves in opposition to "anti-family" forces. Seriously, who is genuinely anti-family? Even the most strident critics of traditional nuclear families care about their parents, their siblings, etc. That "family values" candidates and advocates are routinely exposed as repressed/closeted hypocrites is just icing on the cake.
Intelligent Design: This one annoys the crap out of me, primarily because, technically speaking, I believe in it. I do believe in an intelligent designer. Moment I say that, of course, I have people raging at me for shoving religion down their throats and others asking me to write letters to local school boards to have the Science books changed. Ok, on the whole it refers to the supposedly scientific theory, and so is more a matter of my own annoyance than anything.

It's a phrase that means many things to many people. It does not, in itself, involve anyone taking an active ongoing role in creation beyond the first instance of existence (something I recognize so implicitly that I got into a lot of trouble when I first encountered the term on the old CMB, because a lot of its advocates seem to think it demands a constant tinkerer. ) It's also a good example of another reason I don't want to ban words or phrases: We are all better served by confronting the shades of meaning the phrase can have than by ignoring them completely. No matter far you do or don't take the concept of a Designer, the theorys unverifiable nature is enough to exclude it from science class (though not necessarily from public education altogether. ) People need to understand that to have any hope of understanding science, and that so many DON'T is the source of many tiresomely pointless debates.
"Support the Troops." This phrase should be banned from any campaigning, period. I have yet to meet a single candidate (State or National) who did not wave that flag at some point. We need to come up with easy phrases to recognize, at first glance, whether your preferred method of Troop Support involves bringing them home, offering extended resources while in combat, or offering solid resources once they come home. Anyone who claims to "support the troops" while simultaneously cutting VA funding should be put to death by firing squad.

I think it needs to stay, both so that people make clear they DO support those who put it all on the line for their freedom despite opposing how soldiers are used, and because there have been well documented cases in US history where people have condemned soldiers as much victims of politicians failures as anyone else was. Spitting on a soldier because of a war is like spitting on a meteorologist because of the weather.
And yes, I am aware that this list is leftist leaning. After all, I do lean left. Feel free to add any you feel I missed in order to make it fair and balanced.

Actually, let's add "fair and balanced" to the list. Everyone is biased. If we made everyone admit that going in, I think our Politics would be much cleaner, afterwards...

"Fair and balanced" was always a joke, a denial of the obvious, so let that reminder of dishonesty endure to highlight it. Meanwhile, we need to move beyond the idea that presenting shrill minorities from both sides in any way represents the majority.

But, no, I don't believe in any censorship beyond self censorship. There's only one word I think should never be used because of its legacy, but even there I believe it should be a personal choice, although I also think anyone using it without quotes is demonstrating a failure in judgment at the very least.
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If you could ban some words from political discourse, which would you ban? - 13/03/2010 06:35:25 AM 1311 Views
Working Families, Red Hot Go, Silver Bullet - 13/03/2010 06:46:43 AM 535 Views
I'm not sure if you're against labels or just Bob Seger. *NM* - 13/03/2010 05:15:20 PM 281 Views
well, anything to do with the other side. - 13/03/2010 03:41:12 PM 520 Views
Especially concerning their youth and inexperience *NM* - 14/03/2010 11:22:13 AM 306 Views
all of them. - 13/03/2010 04:42:02 PM 553 Views
I'm sure the one-fingered salute would turn up more frequently, then. - 14/03/2010 02:31:34 PM 494 Views
nah, it would just require the radio people to be more creative - 14/03/2010 06:52:29 PM 583 Views
Two: Bipartisan and progressive. - 13/03/2010 05:14:36 PM 516 Views
"progressive" was created to get around the "liberal" label the right uses - 13/03/2010 06:00:40 PM 532 Views
Does the right really have the power to make a word dirty? - 13/03/2010 06:27:46 PM 547 Views
considering that "liberal" has taken the place of "communist" for "something bad" i'd say yes - 13/03/2010 07:07:21 PM 484 Views
There's a flawed premise in there though - 13/03/2010 10:43:58 PM 559 Views
Re: There's a flawed premise in there though - 14/03/2010 09:34:58 AM 596 Views
Re: There's a flawed premise in there though - 14/03/2010 02:56:45 PM 548 Views
If that's the case you should try to reclaim the word, not demonize it. - 15/03/2010 08:14:11 AM 607 Views
It probably will be down the road - 15/03/2010 04:59:58 PM 626 Views
Good...? - 15/03/2010 09:17:22 PM 671 Views
Re: Good...? - 15/03/2010 10:20:53 PM 697 Views
Re: Good...? - 29/03/2010 04:15:16 PM 601 Views
Joel and Isaac prepare to hijack another thread - 30/03/2010 01:15:40 AM 734 Views
As long as I get top billing. - 03/04/2010 11:54:38 AM 685 Views
Re: As long as I get top billing. - 03/04/2010 12:50:54 PM 633 Views
Re: As long as I get top billing. - 04/04/2010 01:33:27 PM 553 Views
Re: As long as I get top billing. - 04/04/2010 02:59:07 PM 682 Views
Re: As long as I get top billing. - 06/04/2010 03:18:15 AM 615 Views
Heh. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. *edit* - 14/03/2010 02:26:12 PM 487 Views
I know, but it's still a bad description. *NM* - 14/03/2010 05:14:26 PM 220 Views
Not CREATED for that purpose, just dusted off for it. - 15/03/2010 07:34:19 AM 490 Views
I woulkd say the left made the word liberal dirty - 15/03/2010 05:15:24 PM 480 Views
it must be a terrible terrible burden on you to have all the answers to everything... *NM* - 15/03/2010 11:08:04 PM 321 Views
just as being stupid must be a burden for you *NM* - 16/03/2010 02:06:43 PM 243 Views
what? no sandy vagina comment? you're slipping.... *NM* - 16/03/2010 02:51:19 PM 275 Views
but you are still boringly predictable - 16/03/2010 03:23:26 PM 456 Views
actually, no it's just you. *NM* - 16/03/2010 11:12:21 PM 256 Views
How's that paranoia treating you? - 16/03/2010 12:53:31 AM 517 Views
how is that head in sand treating you? - 16/03/2010 02:19:54 PM 523 Views
Re: how is that head in sand treating you? - 16/03/2010 09:07:09 PM 669 Views
Which fringe group do you believe I belong to? - 16/03/2010 10:23:53 PM 424 Views
if all of this is true.... - 16/03/2010 11:17:19 PM 523 Views
I am a militant moderate - 18/03/2010 01:45:40 PM 464 Views
as always, i have to disagree - 18/03/2010 05:30:09 PM 518 Views
unlike the way you use right-winger? - 18/03/2010 06:50:12 PM 1137 Views
*NM* - 14/03/2010 02:25:01 PM 305 Views
Pro-torture *NM* - 13/03/2010 06:27:10 PM 407 Views
I get your point, but it wouldn't work anyway - 13/03/2010 07:20:58 PM 548 Views
transparency - because english politics fricking isn't. *NM* - 13/03/2010 10:11:59 PM 221 Views
none are these days - 13/03/2010 10:23:03 PM 688 Views
hope and change *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:32:34 PM 390 Views
i hope you could change your mind about that *NM* - 14/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 238 Views
bah. - 15/03/2010 12:24:51 AM 738 Views
None; if the other side frames an issue better than you, that's your fault, not theirs. - 15/03/2010 07:55:57 AM 608 Views
None, - 15/03/2010 11:08:11 AM 576 Views
Words/phrases that I would abolish: - 15/03/2010 02:41:51 PM 645 Views
Bah. - 15/03/2010 03:05:20 PM 573 Views
Re: Bah. - 15/03/2010 03:11:47 PM 561 Views
Save the puns for damookster! - 15/03/2010 03:15:24 PM 561 Views
ROFL *NM* - 15/03/2010 03:17:07 PM 292 Views
XD *NM* - 15/03/2010 05:51:13 PM 319 Views
Re: Words/phrases that I would abolish: - 15/03/2010 04:27:21 PM 626 Views
Re: Words/phrases that I would abolish: - 15/03/2010 04:48:48 PM 580 Views
Re: Words/phrases that I would abolish: - 15/03/2010 05:32:30 PM 628 Views
I thought we settled that issue long ago here (well, wotmania) - 15/03/2010 04:48:02 PM 467 Views
hahaha *NM* - 15/03/2010 04:50:29 PM 235 Views
leave to a liberal to want to ban words they don't like *NM* - 15/03/2010 05:10:19 PM 262 Views
Re: leave to a liberal to want to ban words they don't like - 15/03/2010 05:38:24 PM 501 Views
That was weak - 15/03/2010 05:48:34 PM 488 Views
at least it mirrored your original comment. *NM* - 15/03/2010 05:53:34 PM 284 Views
to bad it didn't mirror reality - 15/03/2010 08:33:18 PM 446 Views
sure, the right doesn't say "don't say that" - 15/03/2010 11:00:56 PM 463 Views
which terms that the left uses did he suggest removing? - 16/03/2010 03:20:21 PM 520 Views
you misspoke - 16/03/2010 12:36:23 AM 584 Views
that is often true but I don't think it is true now - 16/03/2010 04:12:18 PM 635 Views
Re: that is often true but I don't think it is true now - 16/03/2010 09:34:42 PM 677 Views
Al Franken is a joke right? - 16/03/2010 10:31:41 PM 485 Views
Re: Al Franken is a joke right? - 17/03/2010 05:34:25 PM 528 Views
Getting a bit excessive - 17/03/2010 05:49:42 PM 483 Views
Hear, hear. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:30:33 AM 232 Views

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