Which, of course, doesn't mean that the church has to agree with it. By the way, genuine question, which I can't easily find the answer to: would the Church qualify kissing (the kind involving tongues, obviously) as a sexual and sinful act?
Is that ever an end in and of itself? Not often. It's usually a prelude to other things, or at least a warm-up until you feel like going further. On its own, that kind of intense kissing can be an occasion of sin, but it really depends on how far you take it and what your attitude is toward what you are doing. Is it an innocent, if extended, demonstration of affection, or is it an attempt to mutually exploit one another's flesh for shallow gratification. For most couples and most couplings, the truth is probably somewhere on a sliding scale between those two extremes. It's something to be done with self-discipline and respect, and the Church is not going to go right out and say it's automatically a sin, but it almost certainly falls well within Jesus's admonition against looking at a woman with lust in your heart, or "objectification" in current parlance. If you're not married, "anything you wouldn't do in front of other people" is a good rule of thumb for the no go zone.
You realize you said this in reply to a paragraph where I wasn't even talking about sex, right? Talking about people being straight or gay is not automatically 'talking about sex', it's just talking about romantic relationships. That's perfectly compatible with the usual explanations for children on relationships and on how children are made.
Neither was I. I said "lesbians" and I alluded to my original post, where I said the topic of the gathering was probably not a coming out storytime. Parents have the right to determine what set of morals they are going to teach their children, and there are topics of discussion that can be inappropriate even without bringing up sex.
The 'should' part was a personal opinion which I wouldn't want to force on people. But while I could sympathize with parents complaining about their children having been unexpectedly exposed to a speech about sex, I can't say the same about the case where the speech is about gay or lesbian relationships or inclinations, without touching on sex.
I'm hardly saying we need to return to that, or that we should reduce the age of adulthood. Just that 12 year olds can certainly have the abilities to do and say meaningful things - maybe not as meaningful/valuable as what they or others can do and say as adults, but meaningful nevertheless.
Interesting, about the confirmation at 7. I'd never heard of that happening myself (in here we do have a religious ceremony at 7 or 8, but that's just the 'first communion', with confirmation following 4 years later). And my (very) quick check suggested that American parishes were more likely to go for confirmation at a higher age than our 12, than at a lower one. My bad.
As for the rest - you don't think it's a little ridiculous to state that a kid of 7 can be held responsible for their own sins, but a kid of 12 can't express any opinion worth listening to? Which, once again, isn't about this particular 12 year old or the validity of her speech.
Nope. At that age, obediance is all that is really necessary. And even for adults, preaching isn't really a thing, and opinions about what is or isn't sinful aren't all that approved either. I can't imagine why I would care about anyone else's opinion on what is a sin. God's is the only one that matters, since that is Who will be judging me for it. If Savannah at whatever age thinks it is a sin, I don't need her adding to the list of things I need to watch out for, and if she doesn't think it is, I'm not going to risk my eternal salvation on her opinion without a more informed source backing her up. Savannah's opinion on theology and morals is exactly as valuable and informed as her medical opinions. I prefer someone with more than half a decade of higher education, and a lifetime devoted to the practice.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
So the Mormons cut the mike on a lesbian coming out to her church...what is wrong with people?
20/06/2017 05:31:05 AM
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You should apologize to Justus of Beauvais. Or whatever you quasi-idolators do to pray to not-God. *NM*
20/06/2017 09:35:33 AM
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Can we get an English translation of this comment? *NM*
21/06/2017 07:09:59 PM
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He referenced a juvenile saint, and took a shot at the Catholic practice of venerating saints
22/06/2017 12:01:17 AM
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I was being wildly offensive about Cannoli's religious practices to see what it felt like. *NM*
22/06/2017 03:04:17 AM
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A kid who was canonized for keeping his mouth shut is basically, the opposite of Savannah the Mormon *NM*
20/06/2017 01:59:18 PM
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I'd agree on the points about not seeing what's so terrible about the church's reaction.
21/06/2017 07:53:38 PM
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They don't get ordained at 12, and lay people do not get to preach.
21/06/2017 08:59:22 PM
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Yes, well, I'm not saying her speech was necessarily all that good.
21/06/2017 10:08:26 PM
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Because they don't write that kind of thing down.
21/06/2017 11:58:29 PM
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