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One of the rather few things in the series that I'd say Rowling got wrong... Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/06/2017 07:32:43 PM

is that decision late in book seven to have literally zero Slytherins side with the good guys. Basically going back to the simplistic take of the first few books, and largely undoing her own effort to make Slytherin a bit more human with characters like Slughorn and of course Snape.

View original postBut damn near everyone I know is gushing about Slytherin. Slytherin. Let's count all of the truly good people from Slytherin:

As you pointed out on Facebook, a lot of the people you know are lawyers. Just saying.
View original postOh, right. There aren't any. Rowling impressed me probably most in her ability to escape traps she wrote herself into (getting anyone to deeply care about the events of a school called "Hogwarts" is Nobel-worthy in and of itself), but it's pretty clear she never really could escape the Slytherin = awful person equation that's established as soon as Harry meets Draco.

She could and she did, before ruining it at the moment supreme.


View original postWe have Draco Malfoy, who manages to emblify perhaps every negative stereotype associated with wealth, and whose sole allegedly redeeming quality consists of the fact that he is not completely solid with regard to his alliance with a wizard whose goal has openly been genocide and subjugation.

He's a kid. A single child brought up in a snobistic, elitist, racist family with delusions of grandeur. He doesn't break out of that easily, lacking Sirius' rebellious streak, but as Dumbledore easily sees, his heart isn't in it.
View original postWe have Severus Snape, a racist-equivalent for whom we are supposed to feel sorry on the grounds that he called the woman he allegedly loved a slur and then subjected her child to years of absurd hatred because he looked like her (not that Harry wasn't a completely obnoxious little shit for most of the series, but Snape's hatred for him starts at first sight).

I think you mean because he looked like his admittedly obnoxious father. The complexity of Snape is one of the elements that make the books so much more than the children's books they appear to be. He's mean and cruel to his students, the nasty kind of teacher who likes to be feared and score points with students by humiliating others. And I don't mean Harry, who can take it and whom he is, in a twisted way, trying to prepare and harden for what he knows awaits him. I mean his behaviour to other students. But he's also loyal at heart and remarkably brave, playing the double agent for so long. He's the kind of person you need to win wars - the kind willing to do what it takes to get the job done. You won't get there with only the heroic kind of people.

Also, I don't think Snape ever actually hates Harry, and certainly not at first sight. It's a lot more complicated than that.

View original postAnd we have Horace Slughorn, who is possibly the only Slytherin of import to meet, much less exceed the "minimum standards of decent human being" qualification. Yes, he's terrified of Voldemort, and yes, he's a bit self-centered, and yes, he really only cares about people who are famous so that he can expand his circle of influence, and yes, he treats people as a means to an end...

View original post...and he's still far and away the least terrible Slytherin figure we have.

Really not that terrible at all. A lot of successful people in business or politics or academia or whatever have more than a little Slughorn in them, which I dare say was the point. He seems like Rowling's way of bringing a little balance back and reminding her readers that there's more to Slytherin than just 'evil genocidal maniacs'. There's a reason why Slytherin was one of the four founding houses, after all - which makes that moment in book seven that I mentioned all the sadder.

Another aspect of the series that's pushing the children's literature barriers, is Rowling's nuanced take on how easily 'good' people can cooperate with or even promote evil, out of fear or ambition or misguided beliefs.

View original postSo with all that in mind, why are people so fond of advertising their fondness for Slytherin? There are better ways to let people know you're a sociopath who will stop at nothing to advance yourself, no matter who you have to cast aside to get there. My money is on either a contrarian attempt at looking interesting and different or an attempt at hanging the lampshade on serious character flaws.

I think Cannoli had a few good points there. I would add that a not negligible part of HP readers has at least some familiarity with fan fic, many of which went for alternative takes such as telling the story from a Slytherin perspective, or at least a non-Gryffindor one. And yes, the epilogue counts as fan fic.

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What the hell is with people's fondness for Slytherin? - 26/06/2017 09:48:07 AM 973 Views
I got placed into Slytherin at Pottermore back in the day. - 26/06/2017 01:30:13 PM 601 Views
Re: I got placed into Slytherin at Pottermore back in the day. - 26/06/2017 05:43:34 PM 594 Views
Your replies do show a large streak of Slytherinesque views. I think you were mishoused. - 26/06/2017 06:06:09 PM 615 Views
Nah. I have vague glimmerings of a conscience. Disqualifying trait for House Sociopath. *NM* - 26/06/2017 06:08:44 PM 344 Views
Ah I see. You're in denial. In the closet as it were. - 26/06/2017 06:27:37 PM 432 Views
Yet you're studying for the bar so you can join Profession Sociopath. - 26/06/2017 07:56:47 PM 561 Views
Ugh. Don't remind me. *NM* - 26/06/2017 07:58:03 PM 327 Views
Meanwhile future "sociopath" - 28/06/2017 12:20:27 PM 473 Views
I'm going into public defense. Don't be too proud of yourself. - 28/06/2017 08:31:04 PM 584 Views
Just a self-righteous and masochistic form of sociopath. *NM* - 28/06/2017 10:05:18 PM 413 Views
But intensely charitable in its sociopathy! - 28/06/2017 10:54:14 PM 451 Views
Voldemort came from Slytherin. He was awesome. - 26/06/2017 01:50:46 PM 541 Views
*NM* - 26/06/2017 05:44:33 PM 360 Views
One of the rather few things in the series that I'd say Rowling got wrong... - 26/06/2017 07:32:43 PM 531 Views
I agree with most of this. - 27/06/2017 01:03:19 AM 628 Views
As a fellow "Never Slytherin"... - 27/06/2017 12:22:17 AM 783 Views
Re: As a fellow "Never Slytherin"... - 27/06/2017 01:15:15 AM 542 Views
Perhaps the houses - 28/06/2017 01:44:35 AM 540 Views
Anti-hype? - 27/06/2017 10:35:22 AM 539 Views
Ok, so, everybody beat me to it - 27/06/2017 10:45:33 AM 522 Views
Nossy you are our hufflepuff - 28/06/2017 01:47:40 AM 508 Views
Re: Anti-hype? - 27/06/2017 03:24:12 PM 552 Views
Re: Anti-hype? - 28/06/2017 03:21:59 AM 396 Views
Re: Anti-hype? - 28/06/2017 01:14:09 PM 463 Views
Stop it, you are meant to enjoy the books not analyze them to death. - 28/06/2017 01:40:41 AM 454 Views
I don't watch anime. RWBY is safe. *NM* - 28/06/2017 03:12:56 AM 274 Views
Hun, that product is made in America it is not Anime - 28/06/2017 03:17:45 AM 464 Views
That's anime. I don't watch anime or its derivatives. But if you want me to criticize it... *NM* - 28/06/2017 03:23:01 AM 316 Views
Perhaps you should watch it - 28/06/2017 03:29:59 AM 409 Views

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