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As a fellow "Never Slytherin"... Clover Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 12:22:17 AM

I'm a little surprised to find myself disagreeing with most of your points here.

First off, it is not really fair to just lay out the negative aspects of all the Slytherins like that, especially when ALL of her characters had rather ignoble and selfish traits. Let's consider some notable Gryffindors: Ron was shallow and downright peevish at times, Harry had cruel moments, and I have to agree with The Shrike about Percy, who was possibly the least sympathetic character in the books.

Then we have Dumbledore, who was sorted into Gryffindor yet exemplified so many Slytherin traits. He was extraordinarily manipulative, believed the ends justified the means, and seemed far more interested in secret power/control than in the trappings of Gryffindor glory. He was willing to sacrifice Harry in order to achieve what he considered to be the victory condition. Yes, everything worked out and Harry did survive in the end, but there were countless moments when that was not guaranteed, not to mention the layers of trauma.

Snape? Was not willing to sacrifice Harry; did not even want to let Dumbledore (an adult, an elderly soldier) die; yet sacrificed himself without a complaint. Seems pretty damn Gryffindor-y.

It's possible I'm giving Rowling too much credit here, but I always felt like the main point she was trying to make with the Hat was that we all have some of each House within us. Not all in equal quantity, but still present. And the House you are placed in perhaps has more to do with the way you try to represent yourself than it does the innermost contents of your heart. The two do not always match, especially when we're young. Still, the label you choose goes on to shape your experiences and reputation.

I think the popularity of Slytherin may have something to do with this idea and the fact that we all have at least some Ambition/Cunning/Selfishness, but Slytherins are the ones who deceive themselves about it the least. And this appreciation for authenticity (even when it's ugly and dark) seems to be gaining wider cultural traction. Maybe we believe that acknowledging our flawed humanness could actually be helpful to society? The alternative, where everyone tries to live up to an impossible ideal, does often result in closeted horrors.

I also think that Rowling did not so much fall victim to an overly simplistic Slytherin=EVEEL trope (except for what Paul said about The Battle of Hogwarts; that part definitely was oversimplified and frankly cheap). I actually think it may be that she felt a bit too compelled by her own darlings, namely Snape and Draco. Her disposition towards the Snape character arc puts her very much with the Snape fangirls, and I suspect she had a lot of sympathy for Draco as well. Whether her vision translated perfectly, whether you agree with the balance of virtue vs. sin - that's a different question. But I don't think she hated Slytherin at all; I think she probably loved both Draco and Snape enough to think they filled the need for complex Slytherins and even went a long way towards redeeming the worthless Salazar (and Voldemort, naturally).

For full disclosure, I am a proud Ravenpuff. I know I have Slytherin traits within me, but I don't tend to think they're a huge part of my overall makeup, nor do I really feel any pull to identify with them more (of course it's also possible I'm lying to myself and/or am a self-righteous fool ). However, I agree with Paul about needing proud Slytherin-types in society. Just, you know, maybe not quite so many need to be lawyers.

This message last edited by Clover on 27/06/2017 at 12:26:22 AM
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What the hell is with people's fondness for Slytherin? - 26/06/2017 09:48:07 AM 970 Views
I got placed into Slytherin at Pottermore back in the day. - 26/06/2017 01:30:13 PM 595 Views
Re: I got placed into Slytherin at Pottermore back in the day. - 26/06/2017 05:43:34 PM 591 Views
Your replies do show a large streak of Slytherinesque views. I think you were mishoused. - 26/06/2017 06:06:09 PM 612 Views
Nah. I have vague glimmerings of a conscience. Disqualifying trait for House Sociopath. *NM* - 26/06/2017 06:08:44 PM 343 Views
Ah I see. You're in denial. In the closet as it were. - 26/06/2017 06:27:37 PM 430 Views
Yet you're studying for the bar so you can join Profession Sociopath. - 26/06/2017 07:56:47 PM 559 Views
Ugh. Don't remind me. *NM* - 26/06/2017 07:58:03 PM 327 Views
Meanwhile future "sociopath" - 28/06/2017 12:20:27 PM 471 Views
I'm going into public defense. Don't be too proud of yourself. - 28/06/2017 08:31:04 PM 582 Views
Just a self-righteous and masochistic form of sociopath. *NM* - 28/06/2017 10:05:18 PM 413 Views
But intensely charitable in its sociopathy! - 28/06/2017 10:54:14 PM 450 Views
Voldemort came from Slytherin. He was awesome. - 26/06/2017 01:50:46 PM 539 Views
*NM* - 26/06/2017 05:44:33 PM 360 Views
One of the rather few things in the series that I'd say Rowling got wrong... - 26/06/2017 07:32:43 PM 527 Views
I agree with most of this. - 27/06/2017 01:03:19 AM 625 Views
As a fellow "Never Slytherin"... - 27/06/2017 12:22:17 AM 779 Views
Re: As a fellow "Never Slytherin"... - 27/06/2017 01:15:15 AM 539 Views
Perhaps the houses - 28/06/2017 01:44:35 AM 536 Views
Anti-hype? - 27/06/2017 10:35:22 AM 537 Views
Ok, so, everybody beat me to it - 27/06/2017 10:45:33 AM 520 Views
Nossy you are our hufflepuff - 28/06/2017 01:47:40 AM 506 Views
Re: Anti-hype? - 27/06/2017 03:24:12 PM 551 Views
Re: Anti-hype? - 28/06/2017 03:21:59 AM 394 Views
Re: Anti-hype? - 28/06/2017 01:14:09 PM 460 Views
Stop it, you are meant to enjoy the books not analyze them to death. - 28/06/2017 01:40:41 AM 453 Views
I don't watch anime. RWBY is safe. *NM* - 28/06/2017 03:12:56 AM 273 Views
Hun, that product is made in America it is not Anime - 28/06/2017 03:17:45 AM 461 Views
That's anime. I don't watch anime or its derivatives. But if you want me to criticize it... *NM* - 28/06/2017 03:23:01 AM 315 Views
Perhaps you should watch it - 28/06/2017 03:29:59 AM 405 Views

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