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Weirdly, I also agree with this nossy Send a noteboard - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM

But can you honestly say your initial reaction would have been to start walking through the details? Or would you have still been annoyed at someone forcing the discussion too close to the event (pre-mourning, pre-information)?

I'm not trying to attack you, but it seems to me that if it's too early, it's too early. If not, it feels like it was a deflection. I personally think we should start talking, and I'm burnt out on seeing the sniping I saw all day, or I wouldn't be pushing you.

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1832 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 488 Views
Indeed. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 756 Views
yes. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 789 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 761 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting damookster - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 791 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? Tom - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 711 Views
Same here. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 809 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 779 Views
Yes.You.Could. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 801 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 801 Views
Really? damookster - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 766 Views
How much time is "enough time" exactly? Just until the next one so the clock can reset? *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:01:51 PM 454 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 502 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 486 Views
It failed. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 468 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 480 Views
doubtful. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 669 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 746 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 819 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 718 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 472 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 462 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 750 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 776 Views
oh fuck off damookster - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 758 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 728 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. damookster - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 743 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 706 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 756 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 782 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 745 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 447 Views
It should be noted.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 740 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 470 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 766 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 737 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 736 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 765 Views
Again.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 760 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? nossy - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 759 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 697 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 815 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 469 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 492 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 445 Views
I will always agree with that, nossy - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 786 Views
That was my point. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 847 Views
Eh, well nossy - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 730 Views
how about something a little more tangible than "your country has a problem?" *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 509 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 450 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this nossy - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 681 Views
See Roland00's reply. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 672 Views
Again nossy - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 690 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 702 Views
The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise random thoughts - 03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM 750 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 Roland00 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 769 Views
I have no problem with discussion. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 735 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! Tom - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 727 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 689 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 530 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 727 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? Jeordam - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 711 Views
Exactly. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 413 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 821 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 746 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 736 Views
An honest Question Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 702 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 479 Views
And now you just lost... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 741 Views
Oh the fight is already won TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 757 Views
I would disagree.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 734 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 828 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? damookster - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 778 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 762 Views
Yes I actually knew that damookster - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 800 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 755 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite Roland00 - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 798 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* Tom - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 438 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* damookster - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 446 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect Roland00 - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 909 Views
It was, before they first started putting limitations on it TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:35:27 AM 844 Views
What court cases do you think are examples of the trend constricting the 2nd Amendment? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/10/2017 05:48:41 AM 430 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 771 Views
And just to say it.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 745 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 811 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 674 Views
So let's work through these... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 787 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 434 Views
Re: So let's work through these... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 746 Views
Ok...let's talk Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 731 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 938 Views
Dialogue....good. Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 723 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? Legolas - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 774 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 819 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 471 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. Cannoli - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 827 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 443 Views
But after they get out.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 737 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. Legolas - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 894 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 701 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 485 Views
I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%. Ghavrel - 02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM 776 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! Nargs - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 746 Views
Oh please TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 722 Views
it is like the time buses were exploding in Israel, except it is Americans who are doing it AgentApple - 03/10/2017 06:19:56 PM 870 Views
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