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So let's work through these... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM

View original post- Universal background checks for guns and ammo

So this background check is for what? Felonies? Mental health records? I suppose there's a fee associated with this? And the amount of time. And is this all guns or just certain guns. And for the ammo, is this for all types of ammo, finished rounds, or does it include the raw material components as well?

And then just to say this, do you think that we should have background checks for Freedom of Religion issues? How about Freedom of Speech stuff? Those rights are as articulated as the right to have a gun.


View original post- Violent felons ban

Ok, so define "violent". Does someone have to get hurt, or can they just have a weapon while in commission of the crime? What if someone is the accomplice, but they don't have a weapon? Does it have to be an actual weapon, or something that could be a weapon (a picked up rock, for instance).

And then to bring it up again, once a felon has served their time, they still retain their freedom of religion/speech/etc....


View original post- Requirements for reporting stolen and lost guns

Ok...so this would do what exactly? How would this be anything but unnecessary paperwork?
View original post- National gun registries

As alluded to before, should we also register everyone who wants to exercise their free speech, religion, and press? What's involved in this registry? I fill out more paperwork, pay a fee (?) and then I get my Constitutional rights? And then what does this registry actually serve? It would essentially be a very big list of a pretty big section of America. What if you weren't on that list? Is that a crime? That I didn't register for my Constitutional right?
View original post- Require licenses

So we've kinda covered this one before....or something akin to it. Keep in mind that I live in California, which is pretty hard core about gun laws...not that they make a huge difference.
View original post- Remove the blocks on the CDC that resulted from NRA lobbying preventing data collection and publishing.

Now this one I'll certainly jump on board with. At my heart, I'm a scientist. Collecting data is second nature.
View original postThe reason nothing has been done isn't because there are no potential solutions. The solutions are there and have been implemented abroad and in individual states, but on a federal level lobbying has crippled any attempt to make things better.

As mentioned, I live in California...gun laws are pretty hardcore here. But everything that you mentioned here woudln't really do anything to stop what just happened in Las Vegas...or what took place at that Elementary School.
View original postPeople should be getting angry, right now, because people are being killed for no reason. And nothing in this post is anything you or anybody else doesn't already know.

Dude....you should be very careful how you characterize what other people are feeling. Am I angry? Yes. Do I articulate it the same way? No. But anger isn't my overriding emotion right now. I feel sad. I think about the fact that a bunch of people went out to a music festival to have a great night out....and many aren't coming home to family/loved ones. I think about all those people that went to the nightclub in Florida, and the same thing. Or the parents of those kids dropped off at school...and they don't get to hold their children again.

That is the emotion that I'm feeling. And then I read different things around the internet, and I see that some CBS lawyer isn't sympathetic, because it was a country music festival, so a bunch of Republicans probably just died. Or I then I read before that it was a gay club...so they didn't feel as sympathetic....

That's what makes it even sadder...and on a personal level, that's what makes me even angrier. These are friends, family, neighbors...and if they weren't even that, they are human beings with dreams and aspirations like everyone else, and they died in a state of fear. Instead of raging and screaming, we need to be caring and sympathetic....we need to create and build.

It's not the tool that caused this, it was the man. The tool helped the massacre enlarge, but it was the man who caused it to be done in the first place. Fix that, and you have an actual solution.

~Jeordam

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1986 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 569 Views
Indeed. - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 907 Views
yes. - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 917 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 912 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 947 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 871 Views
Same here. - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 958 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 921 Views
Yes.You.Could. - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 931 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 946 Views
Really? - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 915 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 569 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 561 Views
It failed. *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 527 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 548 Views
doubtful. - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 801 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 899 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 966 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 880 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 541 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 534 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 891 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 902 Views
oh fuck off - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 918 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 879 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 900 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 853 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 908 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 923 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 885 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 512 Views
It should be noted.... - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 882 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 538 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 911 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 883 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 906 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 921 Views
Again.... - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 921 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 928 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 836 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 952 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 540 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 562 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 520 Views
I will always agree with that, - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 930 Views
That was my point. - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 1018 Views
Eh, well - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 880 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 527 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 815 Views
See Roland00's reply. - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 808 Views
Again - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 837 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 849 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 942 Views
I have no problem with discussion. - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 872 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 876 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 850 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 598 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 872 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 896 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 482 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 985 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 899 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 872 Views
An honest Question - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 830 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 564 Views
And now you just lost... - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 894 Views
Oh the fight is already won - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 902 Views
I would disagree.... - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 891 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 991 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 919 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 922 Views
Yes I actually knew that - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 955 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 908 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 945 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 515 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 543 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 1055 Views
some of these would never fly here - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 907 Views
And just to say it.... - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 907 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 950 Views
some of these would never fly here - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 818 Views
So let's work through these... - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 1128 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 505 Views
Re: So let's work through these... - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 1003 Views
Ok...let's talk - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 914 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 1270 Views
Dialogue....good. - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 918 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 929 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 960 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 540 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 979 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 515 Views
But after they get out.... - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 866 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 1034 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 850 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 588 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 904 Views
Oh please - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 861 Views

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