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For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM

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I am in fact broadly in favour of gun control and very much not a fan of the NRA, but let's not pretend that this kind of thing is going to disappear overnight if the laws are changed. And as for the timing, I'm not sure it's so much about time, as it is about simply having the facts before you try using the tragedy for your cause - which can be almost immediately sometimes, but in this case it isn't.

Nobody said it would disappear over-night, but that is an awful reason for not doing something about it now. There's ample evidence for what has happened in Vegas already, whether it was a legally adapted, illegally adapted or illegally smuggled weapon doesn't change the fact that the US has a culture surrounding guns that kills people. There needs to be policies implemented to change that, it may not stop the mass shooting tomorrow, but it will stop many more over the next 20 years.

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1801 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 478 Views
Indeed. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 729 Views
yes. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 760 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 736 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting damookster - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 742 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? Tom - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 689 Views
Same here. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 783 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 752 Views
Yes.You.Could. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 780 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 776 Views
Really? damookster - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 742 Views
How much time is "enough time" exactly? Just until the next one so the clock can reset? *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:01:51 PM 433 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 491 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 476 Views
It failed. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 458 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 469 Views
doubtful. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 640 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 705 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 794 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 692 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 445 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 450 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 723 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 749 Views
oh fuck off damookster - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 734 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 705 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. damookster - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 715 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 685 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 719 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 757 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 718 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 436 Views
It should be noted.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 713 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 461 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 740 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 709 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 703 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 738 Views
Again.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 734 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? nossy - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 730 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 671 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 789 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 460 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 482 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 436 Views
I will always agree with that, nossy - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 759 Views
That was my point. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 824 Views
Eh, well nossy - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 705 Views
how about something a little more tangible than "your country has a problem?" *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 496 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 438 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this nossy - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 657 Views
See Roland00's reply. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 645 Views
Again nossy - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 667 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 675 Views
The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise random thoughts - 03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM 701 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 Roland00 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 739 Views
I have no problem with discussion. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 710 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! Tom - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 702 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 660 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 517 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 701 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? Jeordam - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 683 Views
Exactly. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 403 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 793 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 721 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 714 Views
An honest Question Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 676 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 459 Views
And now you just lost... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 716 Views
Oh the fight is already won TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 728 Views
I would disagree.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 706 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 802 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? damookster - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 755 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 733 Views
Yes I actually knew that damookster - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 776 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 733 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite Roland00 - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 777 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* Tom - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 428 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* damookster - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 434 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect Roland00 - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 884 Views
It was, before they first started putting limitations on it TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:35:27 AM 809 Views
What court cases do you think are examples of the trend constricting the 2nd Amendment? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/10/2017 05:48:41 AM 420 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 739 Views
And just to say it.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 712 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 773 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 651 Views
So let's work through these... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 751 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 422 Views
Re: So let's work through these... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 712 Views
Ok...let's talk Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 693 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 857 Views
Dialogue....good. Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 693 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? Legolas - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 751 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 796 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 458 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. Cannoli - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 805 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 433 Views
But after they get out.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 712 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. Legolas - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 868 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 672 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 474 Views
I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%. Ghavrel - 02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM 751 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! Nargs - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 717 Views
Oh please TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 694 Views
it is like the time buses were exploding in Israel, except it is Americans who are doing it AgentApple - 03/10/2017 06:19:56 PM 836 Views
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