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The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise random thoughts Send a noteboard - 03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM

A practice which is at best manipulative. How many of those 59 dead people would want their death used to promote this political cause? In the majority of cases the changes being pushed during these tragedies would have not prevented the tragedy which makes it little more than exploitation.

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1838 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 491 Views
Indeed. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 773 Views
yes. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 796 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 792 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting damookster - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 811 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? Tom - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 721 Views
Same here. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 816 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 788 Views
Yes.You.Could. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 809 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 809 Views
Really? damookster - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 774 Views
How much time is "enough time" exactly? Just until the next one so the clock can reset? *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:01:51 PM 463 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 507 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 491 Views
It failed. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 471 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 482 Views
doubtful. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 675 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 755 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 829 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 723 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 476 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 463 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 754 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 781 Views
oh fuck off damookster - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 770 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 737 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. damookster - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 751 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 714 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 770 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 789 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 749 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 450 Views
It should be noted.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 746 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 475 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 781 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 746 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 760 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 774 Views
Again.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 771 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? nossy - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 767 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 706 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 824 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 473 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 496 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 448 Views
I will always agree with that, nossy - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 794 Views
That was my point. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 855 Views
Eh, well nossy - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 740 Views
how about something a little more tangible than "your country has a problem?" *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 512 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 452 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this nossy - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 687 Views
See Roland00's reply. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 680 Views
Again nossy - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 699 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 706 Views
The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise random thoughts - 03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM 757 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 Roland00 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 777 Views
I have no problem with discussion. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 743 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! Tom - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 732 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 696 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 531 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 735 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? Jeordam - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 747 Views
Exactly. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 417 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 829 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 753 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 745 Views
An honest Question Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 708 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 487 Views
And now you just lost... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 759 Views
Oh the fight is already won TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 767 Views
I would disagree.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 744 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 837 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? damookster - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 786 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 770 Views
Yes I actually knew that damookster - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 811 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 762 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite Roland00 - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 809 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* Tom - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 440 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* damookster - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 468 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect Roland00 - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 918 Views
It was, before they first started putting limitations on it TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:35:27 AM 861 Views
What court cases do you think are examples of the trend constricting the 2nd Amendment? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/10/2017 05:48:41 AM 433 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 780 Views
And just to say it.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 765 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 815 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 686 Views
So let's work through these... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 816 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 437 Views
Re: So let's work through these... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 758 Views
Ok...let's talk Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 742 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 967 Views
Dialogue....good. Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 746 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? Legolas - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 783 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 828 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 473 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. Cannoli - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 836 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 447 Views
But after they get out.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 743 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. Legolas - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 900 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 708 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 488 Views
I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%. Ghavrel - 02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM 783 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! Nargs - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 776 Views
Oh please TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 727 Views
it is like the time buses were exploding in Israel, except it is Americans who are doing it AgentApple - 03/10/2017 06:19:56 PM 880 Views
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