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Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? Roland00 Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM

Different research study, but literally just today, the Pew R

News Report and a few graphs

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/10/16/globally-broad-support-for-representative-and-direct-democracy/

Full Report
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/10/13164509/Pew-Research-Center_Democracy-Report_2017.10.16.pdf

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As you can see in the report, all nations have some people that are completely unsatisfied and also another group of people who are partially satisfied with various form of democracy (the report has different questions like direct democracy vs representative democracy).

What I am saying is there is always going to be a group of people who are not satisfied and thus I think it is SCAPEGOATING to blame this on a specific demographic such as age like Millennials, but also the same for specific other group like country, race, religion, gender, and so on.

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On a side note that is unconnected to Greg's article and it is just something I been thinking in the back of my mind. I am not a cultural or social anthropologist and my reading and thus my knowledge of this is limited.

But in the past some people have broken down different cultures and nations at different periods of time into groups like

1) Nations based around an Honor Code and people have to continue maintain Honor / Honour / Face in the eyes of others

2) Nations based around the idea of Rule of Law / Inherent Dignity of Individuals

And some people will now add a 3rd category of a culture of Victimhood, based around Microsaggressions / Transgressions though I am skeptical of much I have read around this 3rd group for these people can't seem to define their categories and it is very vague and nefarious.




So my question is what happens to the idea of Democracy and such when people are unsatisfied with the status quo and they feel the need to change? For example electing a person who says they want to return the country based around the value of Honor (group 1) instead of the current status quo of Rule of Law / Inherent Dignity of Individuals which you do not need to prove (group 2)? And so on?

What happens in the microterms, micro being the space of weeks, months, years, and time less than a decade? I want to seperate times greater than 10 years and see that timeframe as macro and you have to use a different style of language which is generational, where people and the culture is being reborn and you should not see your own humanity and individuality as it was 10 years prior, you are a different individual than your older self and the same thing is true for culture in 10+ year timescales.

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Now all of the questions I was asking and such is not really about culture of honor vs culture of law / dignity it is instead really about why these cultures often come about. People in the anthropology have theories that ideas about renewal, like can you recover and can you advance in the society do to mistakes, due to people who prey onto other people, can you gain wealth and social prestige, etc influences what type of value systems that the collective population treasure and what happens when the fundamentals underneath it all change and thus people put more emphasis on specific values instead of other values for humans use a multiple value system (for example life, liberty, and property, but there are far more than those 3 but even those 3 can't be defined by a single word / thought for you have to go multiple value system for life is complicated.)

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2188 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 751 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 694 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 627 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 496 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 616 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 436 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 401 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 676 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 635 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 711 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 410 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 418 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 599 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 698 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 660 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 726 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 899 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 631 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 650 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 654 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 590 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 657 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 621 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 581 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 586 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 752 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 653 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 635 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 787 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 589 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 610 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 650 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 617 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 548 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 735 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 636 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 715 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 669 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 619 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 557 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 563 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 582 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 736 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 375 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 719 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 649 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 594 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 669 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 604 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 580 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 750 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 691 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 703 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 709 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 740 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 605 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 368 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 599 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 648 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 586 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 532 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 383 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 602 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 539 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 346 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 432 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 372 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 361 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 653 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 632 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 619 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 618 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 611 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 393 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 412 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 661 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 436 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 650 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 710 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 623 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 554 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 342 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 631 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 532 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 603 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 585 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 686 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 662 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 552 Views

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