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It's not subjunctive per se. It's a negative imperative, damnit. Tom Send a noteboard - 11/12/2017 02:11:53 AM

"Lead us not..." - ne inducas nos

What is so hard about this phrase? It's asking God not to lead us to situations where we know we will fail to live up to His expectations. The temptation itself is not of God. No one implies that anywhere. It is just a prayer that God help us avoid situations where we know we cannot avoid the temptations that Satan has prepared for us. It's asking God to steer the chocoholic on a diet down the street that doesn't have the Godiva store, not implying that he owns the Godiva store.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Pope Francis must be declared a heretic and burned. Tom - 09/12/2017 03:14:16 AM 1848 Views
Oooh, theodicy. Legolas - 09/12/2017 03:28:21 AM 969 Views
Well, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" a couple of times. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/12/2017 09:22:05 AM 512 Views
That’s a much better song too *NM* Tom - 10/12/2017 02:05:04 PM 601 Views
That was just so he could murder all their sons and prove he is awesome. random thoughts - 11/12/2017 09:24:16 PM 927 Views
Never heard that one. The Trainspotting song “Temptation” is much better (Crowded House sucks) *NM* Tom - 10/12/2017 02:02:37 PM 552 Views
Auto-da-fé, what's an auto-da-fé? It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway! *NM* Roland00 - 09/12/2017 03:55:47 AM 587 Views
Revelation 22:18, 19 damookster - 09/12/2017 07:02:55 PM 836 Views
Does it have to be fire? I do not like the smell of burnt human flesh. Is it okay with the council Roland00 - 09/12/2017 11:55:31 PM 818 Views
Only fire can purify the stain of heresy. *NM* damookster - 10/12/2017 01:21:58 AM 608 Views
We have to burn you for blasphemy by comparing Francis to Christ Tom - 10/12/2017 02:04:04 PM 847 Views
I just find this deeply ironic that is all *NM* Roland00 - 10/12/2017 08:35:26 PM 537 Views
I'll search for an Italian transcript later, but... Larry - 10/12/2017 03:10:06 PM 1051 Views
It's not subjunctive per se. It's a negative imperative, damnit. Tom - 11/12/2017 02:11:53 AM 898 Views
I hadn't seen this post before I posted... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 04:46:07 AM 834 Views
It's been 23 years since my last Latin class Larry - 11/12/2017 04:48:54 AM 1006 Views
My mother and a family friend priest drove by today... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 04:38:49 AM 902 Views
It's because it's *not* a translation issue, and Francis is deceiving the faithful. Tom - 11/12/2017 05:46:27 AM 877 Views
And what the fuck is wrong with this website? I didn't indent numbers and I used 1, 2, 3, 4 Tom - 11/12/2017 05:47:42 AM 950 Views
Incidentally, the numbers showed up accurately in my response while quoting, so who knows? *NM* TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:12:44 AM 565 Views
For the record, I'm not saying you're wrong... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:11:59 AM 870 Views
You know, now that I think about it, Job isn't a good reference. TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:21:13 AM 1004 Views
Tom is correct, but let me make the argument that the Pope is right Roland00 - 11/12/2017 08:49:35 PM 1198 Views
If it is not a translation problem (and it isn't), then the Pope is changing the words of Christ Tom - 12/12/2017 03:43:50 PM 876 Views
I've read that "heresy" comes from words meaning 'to cut' or else to 'seize or take away' Cannoli - 12/12/2017 03:56:19 PM 903 Views
Re: If it is not a translation problem (and it isn't), then the Pope is changing the words of Christ TyrReborn - 12/12/2017 06:24:58 PM 881 Views
The vicar of Christ doesn't get to change the words of Christ. damookster - 11/12/2017 08:12:22 AM 961 Views
Fair enough. *NM* TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 05:44:46 PM 535 Views
but he is infallible ???? random thoughts - 11/12/2017 09:22:02 PM 844 Views
The Pope is only infallible in certain situations. TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 10:40:28 PM 890 Views
Link not working for you? *NM* random thoughts - 12/12/2017 12:44:23 AM 570 Views
Yes, and thankfully he wasn't making a proclamation ex cathedra. Tom - 12/12/2017 01:09:25 AM 860 Views
I mean...I love me some theology... Jeordam - 11/12/2017 10:56:34 PM 933 Views
The problem is that I don't think he was thinking at all Tom - 13/12/2017 06:22:14 PM 802 Views
No arguments here Cannoli - 12/12/2017 03:51:59 PM 859 Views
Well, I needed to at least mention the Orthodoxy-Catholicism split Tom - 12/12/2017 05:01:54 PM 971 Views
Can't you just depose him. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 05:49:59 PM 816 Views
I could, but where's the fun in that? Tom - 13/12/2017 06:20:18 PM 929 Views
Because he would have to live with being deposed. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 07:05:35 PM 834 Views
As Stalin said, Нет человека, нет проблемы Tom - 13/12/2017 09:06:44 PM 900 Views
Like fire / Hellfire / This fire in my skin / This burning / Desire / Is turning me to sin *NM* Roland00 - 13/12/2017 09:21:16 PM 626 Views
How about we just send him to Avignon. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 11:31:25 PM 877 Views
If we send him in a soundproof box so all he can do is waive endlessly, sure! Tom - 14/12/2017 12:32:04 AM 897 Views
Schrodinger's Pope(s)? *NM* Roland00 - 15/12/2017 10:01:35 PM 513 Views
That would be fun. No one would know if he's alive or dead. *NM* Tom - 16/12/2017 03:50:13 AM 492 Views
Waive endlessly? Larry - 18/12/2017 03:06:39 AM 1003 Views
It's the consequence of writing this in between contract revisions Tom - 18/12/2017 02:52:15 PM 1061 Views
I've had that happen before, minus the contract legalese Larry - 20/12/2017 03:43:50 AM 872 Views
music to burn heretics by... damookster - 13/12/2017 10:44:51 PM 1004 Views
That is truly obscure Tom - 14/12/2017 12:39:43 AM 834 Views
It could be worse, my favorite 2 christmas albums are Roland00 - 14/12/2017 03:25:38 AM 852 Views
Sounds like your father was a wise man *NM* random thoughts - 14/12/2017 12:54:20 PM 544 Views
And he's still going nearly 50 years later... Simon - 16/12/2017 02:32:41 PM 1683 Views
That’s amazing. He’s still crazy. *NM* damookster - 16/12/2017 03:31:36 PM 526 Views
Agreed. *NM* Simon - 01/01/2018 01:59:14 PM 1083 Views
I'd like to thank everyone who replied to get the folder on fire. It adds a je ne sais quoi to it. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2017 05:10:02 PM 534 Views
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