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I have to take issue with the & and the "long s" Tom Send a noteboard - 18/01/2018 07:28:09 PM

They're writing conventions that were never really properly letters. This is evidenced by the fact that they don't have Old English names like thorn, eth, ash, etc. They appeared later in the language with the advent of printing presses to save time and space and aren't really properly separate letters that we "lost". Particularly the ampersand, considering that it's used today - and isn't really a letter despite what the jackass who did the video seems to think.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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The Fascinating History of 10 Extra Letters the English Alphabet Used to Have - 18/01/2018 06:35:45 PM 1188 Views
I have to take issue with the & and the "long s" - 18/01/2018 07:28:09 PM 533 Views
Ok, let's define what a letter is. - 18/01/2018 11:25:22 PM 578 Views
Yes, the long "s" is just a variant. It didn't have a name in Old English. - 19/01/2018 03:39:51 PM 724 Views
I don't think not having a name in Old English matters here. - 19/01/2018 05:05:47 PM 829 Views
I think it does, quite definitively. - 20/01/2018 08:46:24 PM 563 Views
All th Germans I have known have considered ß to be a letter. - 20/01/2018 11:01:40 PM 607 Views
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That article is even sloppier than the first - 20/01/2018 09:01:33 PM 522 Views
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Isn't that kind of idealist - 21/01/2018 08:02:14 AM 572 Views
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No, actually that's quite incorrect. - 21/01/2018 04:14:18 PM 533 Views
You've missed the point. - 22/01/2018 01:53:59 AM 567 Views
No, I'm trying to show the qualitative difference between the two events. - 22/01/2018 04:34:20 PM 466 Views
The letter J? *NM* - 22/01/2018 05:19:14 PM 354 Views
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Feels we are talking past each other. - 22/01/2018 07:52:53 PM 574 Views
You're wrong. - 23/01/2018 01:21:26 AM 616 Views
Agreed. Ligatures aren't letters. *NM* - 19/01/2018 06:13:43 AM 334 Views
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ſ is just a variant. *NM* - 19/01/2018 03:40:53 PM 378 Views
I enjoy this thread muchly...yet I will not participate besides saying - 19/01/2018 10:46:40 PM 508 Views
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Upapi? *NM* - 25/01/2018 08:41:14 PM 349 Views
Thank all gods everywhere they are gone. - 22/01/2018 12:23:34 PM 513 Views
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Scheisse. I did forget it. - 26/01/2018 05:24:21 PM 498 Views
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All languages change - 23/01/2018 01:40:18 AM 474 Views
They change, but resistance is not futile. - 23/01/2018 02:10:17 AM 546 Views
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I am talking about Logograms - 24/01/2018 09:48:48 PM 500 Views
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