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They're writing conventions that were never really properly letters. This is evidenced by the fact that they don't have Old English names like thorn, eth, ash, etc. They appeared later in the language with the advent of printing presses to save time and space and aren't really properly separate letters that we "lost". Particularly the ampersand, considering that it's used today - and isn't really a letter despite what the jackass who did the video seems to think.
They're writing conventions that were never really properly letters. This is evidenced by the fact that they don't have Old English names like thorn, eth, ash, etc. They appeared later in the language with the advent of printing presses to save time and space and aren't really properly separate letters that we "lost". Particularly the ampersand, considering that it's used today - and isn't really a letter despite what the jackass who did the video seems to think.
Is the long s a variation of the letter S?
The Fascinating History of 10 Extra Letters the English Alphabet Used to Have
- 18/01/2018 06:35:45 PM
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I have to take issue with the & and the "long s"
- 18/01/2018 07:28:09 PM
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Ok, let's define what a letter is.
- 18/01/2018 11:25:22 PM
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Yes, the long "s" is just a variant. It didn't have a name in Old English.
- 19/01/2018 03:39:51 PM
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I don't think not having a name in Old English matters here.
- 19/01/2018 05:05:47 PM
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I think it does, quite definitively.
- 20/01/2018 08:46:24 PM
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That article is even sloppier than the first
- 20/01/2018 09:01:33 PM
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All letters were once "fake".
- 20/01/2018 10:59:11 PM
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Isn't that kind of idealist 
- 21/01/2018 08:02:14 AM
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- 21/01/2018 08:02:14 AM
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Realist perhaps 
- 22/01/2018 01:54:14 AM
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- 22/01/2018 01:54:14 AM
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Pivots
- 22/01/2018 03:43:56 AM
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Meanwhile
- 22/01/2018 12:23:13 PM
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No, actually that's quite incorrect.
- 21/01/2018 04:14:18 PM
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You've missed the point.
- 22/01/2018 01:53:59 AM
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No, I'm trying to show the qualitative difference between the two events.
- 22/01/2018 04:34:20 PM
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The letter J? *NM*
- 22/01/2018 05:19:14 PM
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No, J is a lot like the long s.
- 22/01/2018 07:23:01 PM
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Agreed. Ligatures aren't letters. *NM*
- 19/01/2018 06:13:43 AM
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Eh . . . the Ampersand is probably now considered a logogram rather than a ligature.
- 19/01/2018 01:27:21 PM
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I enjoy this thread muchly...yet I will not participate besides saying
- 19/01/2018 10:46:40 PM
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You're using sublime too often; it's losing its luster
- 20/01/2018 12:15:10 AM
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Do I? (in regards to sublime)
- 20/01/2018 12:46:35 AM
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(in regards to sublime)
- 20/01/2018 03:18:04 PM
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- 20/01/2018 11:20:11 PM
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*NM*
- 20/01/2018 11:20:11 PM
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*NM*
Thank all gods everywhere they are gone.
- 22/01/2018 12:23:34 PM
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Some other letters should go too.
- 22/01/2018 01:12:31 PM
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I'm against removing letters that have done perfectly well for over 2500 years, thank you
- 22/01/2018 04:41:23 PM
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And I am not. We have had this debate before. To each his own. :-)
- 22/01/2018 05:22:36 PM
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I thought of removing C, as well.
- 22/01/2018 06:16:20 PM
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And calling people you don't like "fu king unts"? *NM*
- 22/01/2018 07:25:29 PM
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Meanwhile if it were written as fuking kunts, no one would have any issues
- 22/01/2018 07:54:41 PM
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I have an issue, kunts looks too much like nuts or knuts
- 22/01/2018 08:09:52 PM
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Would you prefer a Knut?
- 22/01/2018 10:55:09 PM
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Yes I like my internet memes and thus I do not want to be confused by that word sometimes directed
- 23/01/2018 10:28:58 PM
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Yes, about the meanings. Pronounced quite differently.
- 25/01/2018 06:17:22 PM
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Scheisse. I did forget it.
- 26/01/2018 05:24:21 PM
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You mean Scheiße? *NM*
- 26/01/2018 06:49:26 PM
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*NM*
But it would look "fuking" stupid
- 23/01/2018 01:30:15 AM
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All languages change
- 23/01/2018 01:40:18 AM
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Also, you're not talking about the language changing. You're talking about changing the language.
- 23/01/2018 02:16:39 AM
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I am being a realist who understands that spellings change. Letters get dropped. Language evolves.
- 23/01/2018 06:53:25 PM
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It is posts like this that remind me why you are my RAFO tree
- 23/01/2018 10:29:53 PM
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Nope sadly he did not 
*NM*
- 23/01/2018 10:30:09 PM
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*NM*
- 23/01/2018 10:30:09 PM
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Evolution, not revolution
- 23/01/2018 10:54:37 PM
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Should change occur in one's lifetime or only seen through a generational prism? *NM*
- 23/01/2018 11:07:47 PM
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It's also one of the reasons I am against the 1918 spelling reforms in Russia.
- 23/01/2018 02:06:34 AM
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