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No, actually that's quite incorrect. Tom Send a noteboard - 21/01/2018 04:14:18 PM

Most letters were once pictures that were stylized and ended up being shorthand for what they depicted. In fact, it's very hard to find any letters that aren't originally pictures. Norse runes qualify, as do the Phoenician-based alphabets (which are almost all of them). Even in Cyrillic, many of the extra letters were actually stolen from Coptic, such as the щ, from the Coptic cаще, "field". It depicts rushes growing and is a stylized form of the Egyptian hieroglyph. The same goes for ч, though in that case the phonetic value radically changed (from /f/ to /ch/). And, of course, the rest came from Greek.

In the case of "ng", although it appears to just be a variant of an existing letter, it was totally unnecessary and made up out of whole cloth. The combination of n+g had already been used for centuries and there is no word pair in which the sense changes if the n+g is nasalized or if the g is actually pronounced. Hence, it's a made-up letter.

Finally, other letters that have been created as variants of existing letters are created to symbolize a sound that doesn't exist in the language the alphabet is derived from. In the case of "ng", that's also not true.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

*MySmiley*
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No, actually that's quite incorrect. - 21/01/2018 04:14:18 PM 711 Views
You've missed the point. - 22/01/2018 01:53:59 AM 714 Views
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The letter J? *NM* - 22/01/2018 05:19:14 PM 416 Views
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Feels we are talking past each other. - 22/01/2018 07:52:53 PM 743 Views
You're wrong. - 23/01/2018 01:21:26 AM 764 Views
Agreed. Ligatures aren't letters. *NM* - 19/01/2018 06:13:43 AM 396 Views
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Thank all gods everywhere they are gone. - 22/01/2018 12:23:34 PM 651 Views
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All languages change - 23/01/2018 01:40:18 AM 630 Views
They change, but resistance is not futile. - 23/01/2018 02:10:17 AM 683 Views
Also, you're not talking about the language changing. You're talking about changing the language. - 23/01/2018 02:16:39 AM 699 Views
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