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Never said either side is the good guys Joel Send a noteboard - 03/02/2018 05:36:55 AM

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It was understandable when you were in your early 20’s. Those days are gone. No one has a monopoly on dirty tricks, conspiracies or corruption. They are all equal. Keep believing one side is the good guys and you will always be disappointed.

I said one side is the totalitarian guys, and if the West, with all its serious but correctable flaws, goes down, totalitarianism will sweep over the globe, until flavor is the sole "choice"—a choice that will not be dictated by anyone in this country.

Likewise, with regard to US politics exclusively, a decade ago wads was calling me a sexist for stating the many reasons Hillary had no business in the White House, and a racist for daring assert I understood our countrys politics better after thirty years as a political junkie than someone a decade younger on the other side of the globe. My favorite part was the idea Americans and/or Australians constitute some kind of distinct "race" rather than being the ultimate mutts, but anyway: The point is I never denied Hillary was merely the marginally lesser evil (economically, both the politician pushing outsourcing treaties and the robber baron making money off them were always going to screw the rest of us) but pretending that minor distinction non-existent (much less reversed) is how we wound up with Trump aiding and abetting Nazis both at home and abroad.

Eighty years ago some people sat on the sidelines because FDR temporarily imprisoning Japanese-Americans and seizing their property was somehow the same as Hitler shoving Jews, Gypsies, gays, disabled people, communists and all dissenters into ovens and gas chambers while blitzing across Europe in pursuit of more conquests and victims. False equivalency is not our friend.

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