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Fruit of the poisonous tree wouldn't apply here, though. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 04/02/2018 05:40:44 AM

I can't think of any obstruction charge that would require the dossier itself to be admitted into evidence. Or really anything derived from the dossier. Obstructing an illegal investigation is still a crime, as far as I know.

And while you as someone who respects due process might be against the FISA process, Congress has been more than content to allow it to continue unchallenged in the past.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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So that memo was released.... Jeordam - 02/02/2018 06:59:35 PM 1560 Views
"God's in His heaven— All's right with the world!" Roland00 - 02/02/2018 07:14:41 PM 1140 Views
Just reading the memo is indeed the best approach, I just did too. Legolas - 02/02/2018 08:20:01 PM 1143 Views
I find it hard to believe the Obama appointees in the DoJ did not know where the dossier came from *NM* AgentApple - 02/02/2018 09:17:06 PM 580 Views
As do I. Was that supposed to have any relevance to my post? *NM* Legolas - 02/02/2018 09:34:57 PM 612 Views
Re: As do I. Was that supposed to have any relevance to my post? AgentApple - 02/02/2018 10:37:21 PM 1036 Views
Yes, you did misunderstand me then. Legolas - 03/02/2018 12:17:27 AM 1050 Views
yes, that's makes sense. AgentApple - 03/02/2018 09:41:46 AM 968 Views
It does bring up more questions... Jeordam - 02/02/2018 10:53:01 PM 1081 Views
Seems you already decided on some answers in advance, though. Legolas - 03/02/2018 01:53:00 AM 960 Views
With over 34,000 FISA applications just 12 (not 12,000 or 1200 or 120) were denied. Tom - 03/02/2018 04:07:24 PM 1076 Views
Correction: "just under", not "over" 34,000 Tom - 03/02/2018 10:08:54 PM 1006 Views
Bah! LiterateDog - 03/02/2018 11:53:05 PM 1028 Views
Ok, I really did laugh out loud at that Tom - 06/02/2018 09:16:50 PM 959 Views
Those are the ones we have to watch! aerocontrols - 04/02/2018 12:48:49 AM 977 Views
He's the primary demographic for the 4Chans, isn't he? *NM* Tom - 06/02/2018 09:15:47 PM 617 Views
This part was quite revealing The Shrike - 02/02/2018 08:23:28 PM 985 Views
I do find it very telling how many members of the media are suddenly opposed to transparency random thoughts - 02/02/2018 08:51:28 PM 949 Views
Ironic, right? Anonymous2000 - 02/02/2018 09:12:43 PM 893 Views
So you are saying the House Intelligence Committee SHOULD release Schiffs rebuttal of Nunes' lies? Joel - 03/02/2018 03:58:13 AM 1044 Views
I am for releasing all of it random thoughts - 04/02/2018 12:28:57 AM 1039 Views
You, Sen. Kennedy (R-LA) and NO ONE ELSE on the right. Joel - 04/02/2018 07:41:17 AM 1551 Views
To summarize..... Anonymous2000 - 02/02/2018 09:12:06 PM 967 Views
I seem to recall much incredulity when Trump claimed he was being wire tapped AgentApple - 02/02/2018 09:15:14 PM 963 Views
Er. Let me see if I'm getting this right. Legolas - 02/02/2018 09:34:14 PM 1014 Views
They did somehow tap Flynn AgentApple - 02/02/2018 10:44:55 PM 951 Views
Keep in mind Sessions wanted Rosenstein to resign random thoughts - 02/02/2018 11:28:52 PM 875 Views
Why would SESSIONS want Rosenstein fired? Joel - 03/02/2018 05:22:16 AM 989 Views
It was on a list of about 40 Sessions wanted fired. Probably becuase he is a lib *NM* random thoughts - 04/02/2018 12:31:13 AM 616 Views
Sessions is a lib? Do you mean Libertarian? Joel - 04/02/2018 07:57:45 AM 1584 Views
No, they tapped the Russian Ambassador to the US, per SOP; not the FBIs fault Flynn called him. Joel - 03/02/2018 03:59:54 AM 954 Views
no but were they listening when he spoke to Trump? random thoughts - 02/02/2018 11:25:30 PM 925 Views
Nope, just listening to the Russian Ambassador when Flynn repeatedly called during the campaign Joel - 03/02/2018 04:11:27 AM 988 Views
Actually, also, seems I missed a fairly crucial point until now, as did others here... Legolas - 03/02/2018 01:15:10 AM 1082 Views
If working with a forgein agent is such a sin... random thoughts - 02/02/2018 11:22:41 PM 932 Views
You're saying oppo research should have its own kind of Jones Act? Legolas - 03/02/2018 12:51:27 AM 944 Views
No I am saying that it seen as crimianl when one side does and no big deal when the other does it random thoughts - 03/02/2018 01:15:22 AM 965 Views
I believe campaign aid from foreign private citizens OR govt is equally illegal, FWIW Joel - 03/02/2018 04:28:14 AM 899 Views
Actually, JEB BUSH hired the former MI6 agents firm to do oppo research on Trump during the primary Joel - 03/02/2018 04:03:08 AM 1045 Views
Sometimes I forget how right-wing most everyone here is. The memo itself is just nonsense. Ghavrel - 03/02/2018 02:44:16 AM 1024 Views
Ironic, since Republicans Mueller, Comey and Wray threatened to resign over Ws warrantless taps Joel - 03/02/2018 04:07:10 AM 951 Views
I can't speak for the present with too much information is unknown Roland00 - 03/02/2018 04:51:14 AM 993 Views
Everyone looks right wing to someone on the far left. The Shrike - 03/02/2018 03:04:48 PM 1001 Views
The memo is clearly not nonsense to the extent it shows abuse within the FBI. Tom - 03/02/2018 10:15:49 PM 968 Views
Fruit of the poisonous tree wouldn't apply here, though. Ghavrel - 04/02/2018 05:40:44 AM 961 Views
I would certainly argue it Tom - 05/02/2018 04:55:18 PM 906 Views
I think you'd win! Insofar as you'd get the FISA warrant excluded. Ghavrel - 07/02/2018 07:01:42 AM 995 Views
Actually, everyone I have seen exposing the material falsehoods Nunes invented are Republicans Joel - 03/02/2018 03:54:03 AM 1065 Views
Dear Joel, damookster - 03/02/2018 04:31:18 AM 1037 Views
I have Joel - 03/02/2018 05:09:19 AM 937 Views
You’re getting to old to be this naive damookster - 03/02/2018 05:17:44 AM 968 Views
Never said either side is the good guys Joel - 03/02/2018 05:36:55 AM 946 Views
Don't feed the Joel. Tom - 03/02/2018 10:17:12 PM 935 Views
Turn him to any cause of policy, The Gordian Knot of it he will tangle, Familiar as his garter Roland00 - 03/02/2018 10:51:36 PM 998 Views
I sort of want to like this, but your answers keep getting weirder and weirder *NM* Tom - 06/02/2018 09:17:42 PM 522 Views
WSJ source Roland00 - 03/02/2018 05:04:04 AM 1079 Views
You believe the commie liberals at Rupert Murdochs Wall Street Journal? Joel - 03/02/2018 05:14:08 AM 945 Views
well as long as you have an unnaamed source it must be true *NM* random thoughts - 04/02/2018 01:05:36 AM 625 Views
What is your point? *NM* Roland00 - 04/02/2018 01:53:37 AM 542 Views
What is yours? random thoughts - 04/02/2018 04:30:51 PM 862 Views
We are having completely different conversations right now, and completely different things we are Roland00 - 04/02/2018 11:38:35 PM 1020 Views
Yeah, look what happens when you shit on the Fourth Amendment. Vodalus - 03/02/2018 09:09:00 PM 995 Views
Right, because the President of the United States is just a private citizen Joel - 04/02/2018 08:08:32 AM 1589 Views
The point was that the people in power want the Fourth Amendment to apply, or not, as they see fit. Vodalus - 06/02/2018 08:16:19 PM 894 Views
The key issue is being ignored random thoughts - 04/02/2018 04:35:32 PM 890 Views
Answer = Hell Yes Anonymous2000 - 04/02/2018 09:00:49 PM 864 Views
Does anybody still cares about the Nunes memo? I ask for the Schiff memo was released? Roland00 - 26/02/2018 11:14:51 PM 1122 Views
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