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or irony Cannoli Send a noteboard - 06/12/2018 11:22:21 PM

And the destruction of the tea was a decision of a 130 people (roughly 130 people, who knows the right amount, the correct number is lost to history) in a town of 20,000. It was those 130 people who decided for the rest of the city that they wanted to create economic terrorism by destroying the property of another. I see this (myself) as illegitimate at its core even if you are trying to argue it was a great means to a greater end.

No shit.

My complaint was mobs are just part of human nature and we "love" to judge each other on the mob aspect when in reality this stuff always existed.

And MY point, was that the Tea Party was not a fucking mob, you idiot! The people in France ARE. They are performing random acts of pointless destruction. The Tea Party was planned & organized by a limited group, not the emotional group impulse of a mob. The Tea Party was one thing. The riots in France, now and during the Revolution were another thing entirely. The Tea Party was a crime. The Revolution was an atrocity.

Oh and even though this aspect of human nature always existed and will always exist, the real choice is whether we "celebrate it" after the fact and create a whole mythology around it. How we respond to this aspect of human nature is the most important thing in my mind.

Arise children of the fatherland! The day of glory is here!

Creating a mythology that uplifts these "noble" people, or call them "profane" I see that as the true hubristic act.

And there's a reason why Samuel Adams was never president of the United States, and is best known for beer, rather than any legitimate contribution to the cause of liberty. John Adams, who defended the British soldiers who fired on an American mob, was the first Vice-President, helped compose the Declaration of Independance and represented the country abroad to several important powers. We made the choice to steer away from the Tea Party and their ilk. France legitimized riots and mobs in their national mythology.

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I am of two minds of this. (This is France) Roland00 - 05/12/2018 09:09:33 PM 442 Views

Re: I am of two minds of this. (This is France) Cannoli - 05/12/2018 11:29:48 PM 287 Views

Wow you are telling lots of myths and there are falsehoods in said myths. Roland00 - 06/12/2018 12:02:14 AM 251 Views

Regarding taxation without representation... Legolas - 06/12/2018 06:57:10 PM 278 Views

Re: Regarding taxation without representation... fionwe1987 - 06/12/2018 07:13:42 PM 291 Views

Whoa, you're right, seems I'm spectacularly wrong on the numbers. Legolas - 06/12/2018 07:44:15 PM 254 Views

The numbers were never in the Brits favor... fionwe1987 - 06/12/2018 09:52:28 PM 269 Views

True, in India and other places it was a very different story. Legolas - 06/12/2018 11:44:24 PM 238 Views

DC put "Taxation without Representation" on their license plates Tom - 06/12/2018 07:35:00 PM 257 Views

The president doesn't set taxes, though... Legolas - 06/12/2018 07:46:17 PM 268 Views

Territories are just territories Tom - 07/12/2018 05:04:26 PM 260 Views

Sigh Roland00 - 06/12/2018 09:24:42 PM 238 Views

Re: Sigh Cannoli - 06/12/2018 11:13:13 PM 245 Views

You clearly have ZERO understanding of the Boston Tea Party Tom - 06/12/2018 12:22:14 AM 270 Views

Yes Roland00 - 06/12/2018 12:30:50 AM 239 Views

or irony Cannoli - 06/12/2018 11:22:21 PM 233 Views

I barely survived the teabagger riots aerocontrols - 06/12/2018 02:56:35 AM 240 Views

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And the destruction of the tea was a decision of a 130 people (roughly 130 people, who knows the right amount, the correct number is lost to history) in a town of 20,000. It was those 130 people who decided for the rest of the city that they wanted to create economic terrorism by destroying the property of another. I see this (myself) as illegitimate at its core even if you are trying to argue it was a great means to a greater end.</quote>No shit.

<quote>My complaint was mobs are just part of human nature and we "love" to judge each other on the mob aspect when in reality this stuff always existed.</quote>And MY point, was that the Tea Party was not a fucking mob, you idiot! The people in France ARE. They are performing random acts of pointless destruction. The Tea Party was planned & organized by a limited group, not the emotional group impulse of a mob. The Tea Party was one thing. The riots in France, now and during the Revolution were another thing entirely. The Tea Party was a crime. The Revolution was an atrocity.

<quote>Oh and even though this aspect of human nature always existed and will always exist, the real choice is whether we "celebrate it" after the fact and create a whole mythology around it. How we respond to this aspect of human nature is the most important thing in my mind.</quote>
Arise children of the fatherland! The day of glory is here!

<quote>Creating a mythology that uplifts these "noble" people, or call them "profane" I see that as the true hubristic act.
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And there's a reason why Samuel Adams was never president of the United States, and is best known for beer, rather than any legitimate contribution to the cause of liberty. John Adams, who defended the British soldiers who fired on an American mob, was the first Vice-President, helped compose the Declaration of Independance and represented the country abroad to several important powers. We made the choice to steer away from the Tea Party and their ilk. France legitimized riots and mobs in their national mythology.
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