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There's also this amazing speech from Bill Clinton (one I completely agree with). The Shrike Send a noteboard - 11/01/2019 03:35:29 PM

PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: “All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.

The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace...

We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.” (Bill Clinton, Remarks At State Of The Union, Washington, D.C., 1/24/95)

He received a standing ovation for this speech.

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Trump Tonight - National Address on Immigration and the Wall Anonymous2000 - 08/01/2019 07:14:06 PM 594 Views
But - If you build it, they will come. Seems counterproductive then, no? The Shrike - 08/01/2019 07:41:42 PM 314 Views
Very reasonable compromise..... Anonymous2000 - 09/01/2019 12:19:00 AM 334 Views
*Scratches head*... this is reasonable? fionwe1987 - 09/01/2019 06:35:28 AM 305 Views
Illegal entry is a misdemeanor crime. So yes, it is a crime. The Shrike - 09/01/2019 02:03:45 PM 320 Views
Does that apply to children? fionwe1987 - 09/01/2019 07:21:41 PM 307 Views
Not really Roland00 - 09/01/2019 09:31:42 PM 280 Views
They, and their parents, would have been deported. The Shrike - 10/01/2019 12:55:17 AM 292 Views
People forget Obama earned the sobriquet, The Deporter in Chief. *NM* damookster - 10/01/2019 01:12:30 AM 141 Views
Dude deported millions. But the media didn't act impartially and report on it. The Shrike - 10/01/2019 04:09:58 PM 276 Views
Quotes from prominent Democrats on illegal immigration damookster - 10/01/2019 08:15:05 PM 283 Views
There's also this amazing speech from Bill Clinton (one I completely agree with). The Shrike - 11/01/2019 03:35:29 PM 272 Views
"Mens rea"+"Minor"="No Crime Committed" on the part of the minor. Roland00 - 09/01/2019 09:22:01 PM 279 Views
But any way you look at it.... Jeordam - 09/01/2019 10:33:58 PM 293 Views
Do you have a right to life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness? Roland00 - 09/01/2019 11:48:00 PM 271 Views
Jeordam is using the law here. They don't have any rights to be here. The Shrike - 10/01/2019 12:57:41 AM 297 Views
No it is not that simple Greg Roland00 - 10/01/2019 01:37:17 AM 284 Views
It really is that simple. Take out so-called morals. Take out emotions. The Shrike - 10/01/2019 04:07:54 PM 290 Views
I hope you have a good day Greg Roland00 - 10/01/2019 04:33:06 PM 298 Views
Roland, you are talking around the point....not answering the point. Jeordam - 10/01/2019 07:05:05 PM 276 Views
The end justifies the means. / But what if there never is an end? / All we have is means. Roland00 - 10/01/2019 07:32:09 PM 285 Views
Re: The end justifies the means. / But what if there never is an end? / All we have is means. Jeordam - 10/01/2019 07:36:25 PM 271 Views
Why do I need to listen to Pelosi, why do I need to listen to Trump? Why those specific 2 people *NM* Roland00 - 10/01/2019 08:04:03 PM 133 Views
And actually, can I toss this into the ring.... Jeordam - 10/01/2019 07:10:12 PM 264 Views
Different concepts Roland00 - 10/01/2019 08:03:09 PM 274 Views
This focus on what to do about illegals already here is a tangent and not the point. damookster - 10/01/2019 08:24:45 PM 272 Views
The wall will not solve the problem of the people already here, nor will it prevent Roland00 - 10/01/2019 08:59:14 PM 284 Views
as I already stated in my reply to Greg... damookster - 10/01/2019 09:14:32 PM 266 Views
Exactly! Jeordam - 10/01/2019 10:23:27 PM 280 Views
This is simultaneously a Troll comment and an Earnest one. Roland00 - 11/01/2019 01:29:28 AM 289 Views
And what you just said is hyperbole Jeordam - 11/01/2019 06:01:23 PM 285 Views
It is a complex problem. Roland00 - 10/01/2019 11:44:47 PM 263 Views
Just putting this out there.... Jeordam - 10/01/2019 11:53:36 PM 289 Views
I absolutely agree with you that there are many far more significant issues damookster - 11/01/2019 02:41:32 AM 283 Views
Walks over to Mookie's lawn with an unopened bottle of Titos in his right hand. Roland00 - 11/01/2019 05:45:28 PM 266 Views
I would like that. damookster - 11/01/2019 06:07:32 PM 265 Views
As it should be Roland00 - 11/01/2019 07:13:49 PM 263 Views
They may not be the same... Jeordam - 10/01/2019 10:28:46 PM 265 Views
To legal outsiders it looks like a distinction without a difference Roland00 - 10/01/2019 10:56:43 PM 245 Views
I'm glad you recognized it. Jeordam - 10/01/2019 11:12:24 PM 277 Views
Are we under the belief... Jeordam - 09/01/2019 05:56:57 PM 276 Views
Not currently... fionwe1987 - 09/01/2019 07:23:43 PM 270 Views
So then no. Jeordam - 09/01/2019 10:30:49 PM 272 Views
I didn't watch it... Jeordam - 09/01/2019 04:41:23 PM 310 Views
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