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Soooo, it turns out that George Floyd had drugs in his system Cannoli Send a noteboard - 04/06/2020 02:02:47 PM

Specifically, fenantyl & meth, and he had serious heart disease.

And say what you want about the scum who rioted over Rodney King, they at least waited until the cops he assaulted were acquitted.

As for the peaceful protesters, we all know that if they'd been on the other side of the ideological spectrum, no matter how justified their complaints, even those not of their persuasion who were inclined to be fair or not actively hostile, would still be calling for them to cease & desist, to shut up and go home, and stop giving cover to the rioters, the looters and the terrorists using the same incident as an excuse.

And this is not exactly a justified protest. It's not like the system was even given a chance to work. There is no one justifying the actions of Chauvin, even if it turns out he's not directly responsible for Floyd's death (unless he sold him the drugs and has been working on a long-term scheme to stress Floyd's heart - you never know). In fact, before the animals took to the streets to give the whole thing a bad odor, the nationwide outrage, from the president on down, over the images and videos of Floyd's arrest, made it doubtful that Chauvin and his colleagues would even get a fair trial.

Finally, regarding the apparent common thread in the "can't breathe" narrative, black people whine a lot in dealing with the police. As someone who pays close attention to the local police department and its dealings, I see this a lot, even from the point of view of a libertarian attitude toward enforcement policies, as someone who is actively looking for malfeasance and transgressions against civil rights, who is suspicious of most traffic enforcement practices. Recently, a young motorist who hit someone in a Walmart parking lot made an inquiry about her accident report, complaining that the officer didn't listen to her side of the story (the report, which is a matter of public record, has two lines, one stating what one driver said and one stating what the other said), saying "Maybe because I'm seventeen or maybe because I'm black." As soon as she said those words, at the chief's direction, the internal affairs officer was directed to look into the matter. Because a teenager didn't like how a cop who was wearing a badge the day she was born, wrote up her accident report. In this same town, earlier this year, a cop gunned down a shoplifting suspect who had fled in a vehicular pursuit, and a sergeant who was on-duty with him casually admitted in a conversation to beating up the shoplifter's partner-in-crime, after the shooting. Nothing happened to him, aside from an extended paid vacation and no official notice was taken of the sergeant's comment. The circumstances of the shooting were that the shoplifter drove into a cul de sac while fleeing multiple police cars, and was cornered. Several cops started getting out of their cars, but he didn't give up and turned around and tried to drive out, coming in the direction of one officer whose car was in his way. The officer, seeing the suspect driving near his car as he got out of the drivers' side, decided it would a safer situation for the general public if the car was suddenly occupied by a dead man, so he emptied the magazine of his weapon into the vehicle. The horror and trauma of this incident caused the sergeant to "tool up" the shoplifter's colleague who had bailed out of the vehicle well before the pursuit got into the neighborhood of the fatal confrontation. Again, I stress, nothing was done to either of the officers, regarding discipline. But the same department, the same chief, in the same year, referred a case to internal affairs when an 18 year old black girl falsely complained about the most experienced patrolman in the department's summation of two different stories about a motor vehicle accident...because she raised the possibility that he was racist.

People seize on the fact that both George Floyd and Eric Garner told the cops "I can't breathe," but the real amazing datum in the incidents was that they were telling the truth. "I can't breathe" is what millions of black suspects say, right up there with "the handcuffs are too tight" and "I only had two beers." Millions of white people say things like that, too. It's the boy who cried wolf, except in the case of Floyd and Garner there actually WAS a wolf, and in Floyd's case, the cop might have given it a hand. Cops who listen to this stuff end up facing unsecured arrest subjects, and have to start beating on them or pepper-spraying them to subdue them all over again. And they get shit for it for the rest of their careers. Not relevant? Then why is it a defense for blacks who don't cooperate with the police against known criminals from their communities, who attack police officers just trying to do their jobs - peer pressure is a legit defense or it isn't. Now, this is not to say that it in anyway justifies leaving Floyd or Garner facedown on the ground a second past the moment when the cuffs click, but I'm also constantly being told there is more to things than the cold hard facts, that you need to empathize with people, to understand their feelings and experiences and know where they're coming from.

And now, no one in a position of power will take seriously the idea of demilitarizing the police, because we need that gear in case people decide to turn their cities into war zones again. We need no-knock warrants, in case the police need to go after whatever the fashion of the moment decides is a 'bad' guy. Separating parents and children is fine when you don't approve of their religion; lock up the bastards and screw the 4th & 5th Amendments, toss due process and embrace mob justice, if they're men accused of rape, no matter how long it's been since the alleged crime or the lack of evidence against them beyond a single person's word. Forget double jeopardy if they're white men acquitted of crimes against a violent black man on PCP. A month ago, the leftists would have literally killed people to keep the police armed with armor, shields and automatic weapons, back when it was not blacks, but conservatives and champions of personal liberty demonstrating at government buildings and demanding an end to extreme and excessive government repressive measures that were destroying the economy, wiping out livelihoods and driving people to suicide. People gathering in churches was a lethal threat to the public safety, but people gathering to whine about an injustice that has not even happened yet... oh that's fine.

Meanwhile, our local police department has processes record numbers of firearms purchaser ID applications this week.

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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Soooo, it turns out that George Floyd had drugs in his system - 04/06/2020 02:02:47 PM 665 Views
Why let facts cloud your emotions when you want to steal shit? - 04/06/2020 03:45:24 PM 84 Views
Facts that don't fit a narrative are ignored. - 04/06/2020 05:12:44 PM 63 Views
FROM WSJ: Good Policing Saves Black Lives - 04/06/2020 05:14:02 PM 40 Views
White leftists/liberals and "Passover Syndrome" - 04/06/2020 05:16:15 PM 40 Views
I worry about the desired end state sought by those promoting the narrative. - 05/06/2020 02:31:39 PM 50 Views
I'd be curious to see how other models work. Granted, I want them tested in someone else's town. *NM* - 05/06/2020 04:28:31 PM 14 Views
Bingo *NM* - 05/06/2020 05:31:26 PM 11 Views
Mookie how do you feel now after the May 30th tire incident, that the cops admitted they did today? - 08/06/2020 11:59:42 PM 39 Views
Whatever the rationale, defunding the police is a bad idea. Even Bernie agreed with that. *NM* - 12/06/2020 03:27:29 PM 11 Views
Are you disagreeing with the branding, or the actual ask? - 12/06/2020 04:32:36 PM 25 Views
Second - 12/06/2020 05:42:05 PM 27 Views
It depends on who's asking. - 12/06/2020 06:55:34 PM 32 Views
LA schools police will return grenade launchers but keep rifles, armored vehicles - 12/06/2020 07:11:36 PM 24 Views
Wow. What an absolutely insane sentence. *NM* - 12/06/2020 07:13:42 PM 7 Views
A six year old news article? Is it even still relevant? *NM* - 12/06/2020 08:39:44 PM 12 Views
It is extremely relevant - 12/06/2020 09:09:33 PM 17 Views
That's bizarre. You position changes based on who you're talking to? - 12/06/2020 07:12:47 PM 23 Views
yes because some have an agenda I can't accept. - 12/06/2020 08:36:15 PM 24 Views
So you are Anti-Anti- ... isn't that exhausting *NM* - 12/06/2020 08:39:35 PM 8 Views
No, I would be Uncle-Uncle *NM* - 12/06/2020 08:40:56 PM 10 Views
Sounds like one of those damned forsaken Time Loops. - 12/06/2020 09:12:27 PM 20 Views
Did you see this? It's brilliant - 08/06/2020 02:07:30 AM 59 Views
I did indeed. - 09/06/2020 08:50:04 AM 32 Views
I've read Joe's post on FB and the study it referred to. - 04/06/2020 07:29:12 PM 60 Views
Some of what you write is reasonable. - 04/06/2020 07:52:14 PM 45 Views
The drug war has caused a lot of collateral damage, yeah. - 04/06/2020 09:37:43 PM 40 Views
“Structural racism” is a bullshit term - 05/06/2020 04:00:09 AM 71 Views
Maybe the term isn't right - 05/06/2020 05:41:59 AM 45 Views
More bullshit! - 05/06/2020 11:14:49 PM 45 Views
and another point - 06/06/2020 03:37:45 AM 30 Views
A modest proposal *NM* - 05/06/2020 07:14:50 AM 14 Views
0.1% should be unarmed blacks *NM* - 05/06/2020 11:16:12 PM 15 Views
Your definition of racial prejudice is not the same as racism - 12/06/2020 02:49:04 PM 26 Views
And the hair splitting award goes to... - 12/06/2020 04:26:29 PM 22 Views
Also, COVID-19 - 04/06/2020 08:05:47 PM 48 Views
I hate to agree with Roland, but... - 05/06/2020 02:01:56 AM 56 Views
Exactly. There is no reason to have a knee on his neck for 8 minutes. *NM* - 05/06/2020 04:15:58 PM 14 Views
Who said otherwise? That actually shows the VIRTUES of the system. - 05/06/2020 06:46:10 PM 64 Views
Wait so that is your complaint? SERIOUSLY? - 05/06/2020 11:10:04 PM 40 Views
Re: Wait so that is your complaint? SERIOUSLY? - 17/06/2020 09:23:38 PM 28 Views
Daniel Shaver had a BAC 3 times the legal limit. - 05/06/2020 03:38:27 AM 52 Views
Never gonna happen - 05/06/2020 07:13:57 PM 44 Views
Re: Soooo, it turns out that George Floyd had drugs in his system - 05/06/2020 04:45:41 PM 49 Views
??? - 05/06/2020 05:23:34 PM 37 Views
My question is not why George Floyd said he can't breathe... - 05/06/2020 05:44:47 PM 36 Views
Oh, he asserted it - 05/06/2020 06:03:06 PM 42 Views
Ever watch Cops or Live PD or any police reality show? - 05/06/2020 05:35:38 PM 39 Views
Posting something a literal Karen made. - 06/06/2020 01:50:54 AM 53 Views
A Karen is a moron - 09/06/2020 06:42:11 PM 43 Views
It doesn't matter a whole lot - 06/06/2020 08:36:10 AM 53 Views

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