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Not just a rich person damookster Send a noteboard - 30/06/2020 08:51:44 PM


For me a third big point was the one about all the people either in jail/prison or out but strongly disadvantaged on account of the parole/probation requirements. Plus the insanity of the bail system and the way poor people's lives can be ruined by being unable to post bail for some relatively minor offense, while a rich person who's done the exact same thing can just shrug it off. Seems to me like the decision of whether or not to incarcerate you in advance of your trial should be based only on whether the judge figures there's a flight risk, not on how fat your wallet is.

I am far from rich. But a 10K bond gives me a lot of choices. I can put up the whole thing in cash if I have it. I can put up the equity in my house. Or, I could pay a bail bondsman 700 dollars and he will put up the money. If it even gets that far. If I ever got arrested the first word out of my mouth would be, "lawyer." My lawyer meets us at the police station and chances are very good I leave when he does unless it's a serious crime.

A poor person has to wait for a public defender which won't get assigned until his first court appearance. Will that be the next day? Maybe. But not likely. If you have kids and no one to watch them or a job where you will be let go if you don't show up, you take the DA's offer and plead guilty and end up with a record.

It's a lousy system.

Mook

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Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement Anonymous2000 - 29/06/2020 06:59:25 PM 799 Views
As part of the "model" minority fionwe1987 - 29/06/2020 08:18:17 PM 318 Views
How have you failed? Jeordam - 29/06/2020 10:31:17 PM 310 Views
Are we trying to assign blame and guilt, or are we trying to observe and then create a change in Roland00 - 29/06/2020 11:13:24 PM 291 Views
I still don't do enough. Silence and inaction are failure enough fionwe1987 - 30/06/2020 03:29:29 AM 290 Views
Re: I still don't do enough. Silence and inaction are failure enough Jeordam - 30/06/2020 04:51:12 PM 287 Views
I have to be honest, the privilege argument is dubious. Anonymous2000 - 30/06/2020 04:19:42 AM 324 Views
Re: I have to be honest, the privilege argument is dubious. Roland00 - 30/06/2020 05:39:30 AM 447 Views
Here you go, you can also look up the raw census data Anonymous2000 - 30/06/2020 01:40:24 PM 290 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 30/06/2020 06:19:28 AM 302 Views
Re: Some thoughts... Anonymous2000 - 30/06/2020 02:08:10 PM 302 Views
I'm actually *very* curious of this myself.... Jeordam - 30/06/2020 04:54:48 PM 293 Views
Maybe Canada. *NM* AgentApple - 30/06/2020 06:57:01 PM 148 Views
Canada seems to have the same racial income gap issues as the US Anonymous2000 - 30/06/2020 07:29:21 PM 418 Views
It's true that part of it is just America treats all its poor people so terribly. Legolas - 30/06/2020 09:35:40 PM 276 Views
Yeah I wouldn't write off Europe fionwe1987 - 30/06/2020 11:49:32 PM 317 Views
here is an interesting article on mass incarceration in the USA. damookster - 30/06/2020 02:30:09 PM 365 Views
Wow, good stuff, thanks for posting! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 30/06/2020 02:57:08 PM 155 Views
It's disturbing to see statistical proof the system is stacked against those with limited assets. *NM* damookster - 30/06/2020 08:10:41 PM 138 Views
Interesting read indeed. Legolas - 30/06/2020 08:29:53 PM 308 Views
Not just a rich person damookster - 30/06/2020 08:51:44 PM 272 Views
I have three anecdatas aerocontrols - 30/06/2020 09:23:10 PM 301 Views
Okay... this is just like old times, when I'd often have no idea what you were getting at. Legolas - 30/06/2020 09:49:03 PM 273 Views
Old timez aerocontrols - 30/06/2020 10:02:10 PM 281 Views
The Jury Trial fionwe1987 - 30/06/2020 11:51:54 PM 278 Views
It’s easy to understand why. damookster - 01/07/2020 12:09:44 AM 273 Views
There's more fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 12:55:57 AM 270 Views
I agree damookster - 01/07/2020 02:04:50 AM 294 Views
Re: I agree vandevere - 01/07/2020 02:09:14 AM 273 Views
Guilt doesn't have much to do with it... fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 03:51:05 AM 271 Views
Yes, I’m sure that has a lot to do with it. damookster - 01/07/2020 03:52:15 AM 273 Views
Oh god yes, I've heard of several instances of that fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 03:49:42 AM 275 Views
So you see that compassionate conservatives can exist? We aren’t mythical creatures? *NM* damookster - 01/07/2020 03:55:45 AM 142 Views
I sincerely hope you aren't serious about this... fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 04:01:57 AM 279 Views
It was a little tongue in cheek damookster - 01/07/2020 04:20:08 AM 289 Views
Re: It was a little tongue in cheek fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 06:23:20 AM 288 Views
a couple of points damookster - 01/07/2020 07:42:32 PM 285 Views
What do you know about Biden's health that we don't know? *NM* Legolas - 01/07/2020 08:53:45 PM 159 Views
anyone who hears him speak unscripted can tell there is a big issue. *NM* damookster - 01/07/2020 09:47:20 PM 148 Views
Re: a couple of points fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 10:05:08 PM 279 Views
Mook - Fionwe is a radical. You are not. The Shrike - 01/07/2020 04:33:45 PM 285 Views
yes I suppose it was a foolish comment. damookster - 01/07/2020 05:44:05 PM 279 Views
I'm honestly not sure if.you even meant it... fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 07:38:26 PM 264 Views
I kind of did when I wrote it, lame as it sounds now. damookster - 01/07/2020 07:51:21 PM 258 Views
We've found plenty of common ground fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 10:06:19 PM 263 Views
Part of real common ground, real synchronization Roland00 - 01/07/2020 11:43:49 PM 248 Views
It amuses me... fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 07:03:43 PM 285 Views
You're welcome. Come again. XOXO The Shrike - 01/07/2020 07:05:11 PM 273 Views
Aww fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 07:36:55 PM 257 Views
Sweetie, we can always zhuzz it up! First we need some more glitter. The Shrike - 01/07/2020 07:39:42 PM 256 Views
Waterloo seems the most appropriate for the moment... fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 10:01:33 PM 260 Views
No, darling. We're playing Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight) The Shrike - 02/07/2020 05:25:07 PM 247 Views
On drug based incarcerations... fionwe1987 - 01/07/2020 12:01:40 AM 236 Views
"most on nonviolent drug charges" aerocontrols - 30/06/2020 09:25:09 PM 277 Views
read the article I posted. That's one of 5 myths about USA prisons. *NM* damookster - 30/06/2020 09:44:19 PM 136 Views
I was reading the article just before you posted it. Probably the same google search aerocontrols - 30/06/2020 09:55:39 PM 235 Views
Regarding the Census, neither Left nor Right state that the US will remain majority White. The Shrike - 01/07/2020 04:03:57 PM 310 Views
This White/Non-White Binary choice is simplistic. And leaves no room for nuance. The Shrike - 01/07/2020 03:46:17 PM 278 Views
Absolutely right, I read an interesting article on this a while ago. Anonymous2000 - 01/07/2020 10:58:59 PM 292 Views
You have a binary choice... fionwe1987 - 02/07/2020 12:10:49 AM 244 Views
I agree with all of this, but lets think of it from a different point of view. Roland00 - 02/07/2020 12:24:38 AM 310 Views
Found the article (or at least something similar). Anonymous2000 - 01/07/2020 11:04:53 PM 272 Views
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