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It's true that part of it is just America treats all its poor people so terribly. Legolas Send a noteboard - 30/06/2020 09:35:40 PM

If you start comparing living conditions for minorities in the EU vs America, it's obvious that the former scores far better when it comes to health care or criminal justice - but that goes for poor white people as well. While the American criminal justice system is even worse for minorities, it's plenty shitty enough for poor white people - see also Mook's article and the discussion below.

Same with health care. Europeans are baffled whenever they see Americans who seem to think they have the best health care in the world - because we look at the statistics and the average health outcomes, e.g. the mortality rate for mothers giving birth, which are significantly worse than ours, despite the US being significantly wealthier and spending a significantly larger share of that greater wealth on health care. But of course, if those Americans entirely ignore the health of people who don't have a good job with health insurance benefits and can't pay the staggering costs out of their own pocket, they may well say that their health care system is better - for those who can afford it.

Definitely, EU countries also struggle with structural racism, with inequalities in education and job opportunities, and so on. My own country scores particularly badly in terms of the education achievement gap between whites and minorities. But I do want to add one point there: those minorities that we're talking about in the European context are, to a very large extent, guest workers and their families who arrived starting from the 1960s. Or people from the former colonies, who started to arrive around the same time, after those colonies gained their independence. It's not really comparable to the position of Black Americans.

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Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement - 29/06/2020 06:59:25 PM 976 Views
As part of the "model" minority - 29/06/2020 08:18:17 PM 482 Views
How have you failed? - 29/06/2020 10:31:17 PM 475 Views
I still don't do enough. Silence and inaction are failure enough - 30/06/2020 03:29:29 AM 445 Views
I have to be honest, the privilege argument is dubious. - 30/06/2020 04:19:42 AM 499 Views
Re: I have to be honest, the privilege argument is dubious. - 30/06/2020 05:39:30 AM 602 Views
Here you go, you can also look up the raw census data - 30/06/2020 01:40:24 PM 496 Views
Some thoughts... - 30/06/2020 06:19:28 AM 443 Views
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I'm actually *very* curious of this myself.... - 30/06/2020 04:54:48 PM 444 Views
Maybe Canada. *NM* - 30/06/2020 06:57:01 PM 211 Views
Canada seems to have the same racial income gap issues as the US - 30/06/2020 07:29:21 PM 606 Views
It's true that part of it is just America treats all its poor people so terribly. - 30/06/2020 09:35:40 PM 426 Views
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here is an interesting article on mass incarceration in the USA. - 30/06/2020 02:30:09 PM 538 Views
Wow, good stuff, thanks for posting! *NM* - 30/06/2020 02:57:08 PM 219 Views
Interesting read indeed. - 30/06/2020 08:29:53 PM 464 Views
Not just a rich person - 30/06/2020 08:51:44 PM 436 Views
I have three anecdatas - 30/06/2020 09:23:10 PM 470 Views
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The Jury Trial - 30/06/2020 11:51:54 PM 451 Views
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It was a little tongue in cheek - 01/07/2020 04:20:08 AM 459 Views
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a couple of points - 01/07/2020 07:42:32 PM 451 Views
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Mook - Fionwe is a radical. You are not. - 01/07/2020 04:33:45 PM 466 Views
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On drug based incarcerations... - 01/07/2020 12:01:40 AM 405 Views
"most on nonviolent drug charges" - 30/06/2020 09:25:09 PM 447 Views
This White/Non-White Binary choice is simplistic. And leaves no room for nuance. - 01/07/2020 03:46:17 PM 448 Views
Absolutely right, I read an interesting article on this a while ago. - 01/07/2020 10:58:59 PM 459 Views
You have a binary choice... - 02/07/2020 12:10:49 AM 401 Views
Found the article (or at least something similar). - 01/07/2020 11:04:53 PM 435 Views

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