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View original postWith the manifesto being crafted at a location "in more common language would be called an extreme libertarian* and anti-communist think tank which thinks any government spending sends us onto the road to communism."

https://www.aier.org/pertinent_tags/socialism/

Literally they think socialism is the same as authoritarianism and totalitarianism.


Wait, you mean it isn’t?

Sorry.

Joking aside, this is really beside the point. This organization’s sociopolitical leanings only serve to inform why they make the claims that they make. It does not speak to the quality of the evidence they use to support their claims, nor necessarily to the prescription they espouse.

The fact is, essentially, that this organization created a petition, obviously centered on their political leanings. Opening up the economy and reducing government mask/social distancing/quarantine mandates would be their bread an butter.

It’s not news.

What was news was the support of these professors, and their position that perhaps... just perhaps... the results from the science performed and the data collected and the studies done and the progressions we are making... might just indicate this prescription.

Pure ad hominem


(note Austrians Econ people are not the same as Libertarians, but in "common" American vernacular this is the closest synonym.)

So yeah not QAnon, just other types of nonsense. Now the doctors are separate from the organization so lets pivot to that.


Frankly, I question you’re quickness to demonize the Austrian Economics school. They bring a lot of insight to the table. Scoff all you want about Therapeutic Nihilism, but it’s not like Keynesians and MMT’s don’t have their own bizarre ideas.

This is partly why ad hominem is a problem. Now if I disagree with you in any way on this subject, we go on a tangent that does nothing but divert away from the real issue.

By all means, let’s get to the doctors.


View original post21% of the people who have died of COVID are 64 and under by the CDC official numbers.

Good.

So... the 21% number is a bit misleading. The CDC numbers are grouped by various age brackets, and the lion’s share of that 21% is nested in the 55-64, which makes sense with what we learned about the comorbidities association. This is about the age when chronic abuse can really manifest issues like cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, etc.

Once you drop to under 55, it is less than 10% of deaths, with the 55-64 taking up around 13%

Now if you compare the death rate as compared to the infection rate, the data is diverging. Even in European countries, where rates are rising, the death rate is diminished. You don’t see the same spike that you did with the initial spread. This indicates that we have learned something about this virus. We are better at screening for it, have developed more effective treatments. This trend should be expected to continue.


Furthermore you can have permanent disabilities caused by COVID even if you survive, who is going to make up for that lost income when you become disabled due to the disease. We need at least 8x the amount of people to get infected to develop herd immunity.

This is definitely something that needs further investigation. The few studies that have been performed on long-term effects of Covid don’t go nearly far enough to get a clear picture of how many are affected, or when these injuries occur. I would imagine there would be a correlation between the severity of the symptoms/duration, with the most severe cases causing the most damage.

I would think that this will become more and more rare. Once the majority of these cases can be handled by your local urgent care, as in diagnosis and treatment (which I believe we might be soon, if not now), that should do a lot to help.


Who is going to pay for this?

As long as there is a chance of death and maiming the economy is not going to recover even if the lockdowns are lifted.

We have this "information", this empiricism, via statistical methods comparing different countries recovery and when consumer spending bounces back.


Death meets us on either road we take. There are statistics that show that. These professors refer to them in their arguments.

And they argue that the number is higher down the path we are on.

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