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I am not disagreeing, it is treachery and it would be treason if someone acted Roland00 Send a noteboard - 14/09/2021 11:04:17 PM

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The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs telling the leader of the armies of an unfriendly nation that he will keep them informed of any hostile military plans IS treason. Plain and simple. If a lower ranking officer was caught making this offer he would already be facing possible execution.

If the "esteemed" General and the even more "esteemed" third person in line to assume the Presidency truly believed President Trump was so unhinged he could start a nuclear war to retain power, there's a mechanism for dealing with that. And it's not secretly sharing information with an enemy. That's the cowardly, weasel way. But it would have taken true moral courage to go public with that belief and we know that doesn't exist anymore in politics.


But I am pointing out this is not the first time. The amount of times such stuff happen in any kingdom is uncountable if you look at actual history and not myth. We forget them all or we are not aware of them in the first place.

For example the '69 Drunk Nixon ordered a nuclear strike but the chain of command disobeyed. Likewise there are other drunken night Nixon incidents Kissinger involved with some of them. The horror is we are now seeing it.

Likewise the same Woodward book that we are talking about has another conversation where Pence and Quayle talked and Pence consider not certifying the Parliamentarian vote on Jan 6th (which is the fuckin law, same law we were talking about with the Generals), and Dan FUCKIN Quayle told Pence no and that he has "Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away."

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We are fucked, but also we always been fucked. There is no mythical certainty that this system will continue, only human agency.

As Shakespeare wrote in his own mourning play.

"Men at some time are masters of their fates;
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."

Senator Cassius in this fiction was talking to Senator Brutus, in a chapter that is full of free will vs fate metaphors. It is not about those 3 lines but the entire scene prior to the 3 lines being uttered. Are all these freakish omens the gods telling you to do something or not do something? Or is the agency not in looking for signs and omens from a higher power but instead rests in men?

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"Nothing is certain", this is hopeful or existential terror saying those 3 words.

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Umm, isn't this treason? - 14/09/2021 09:40:01 PM 724 Views
Lots of things are treason - 14/09/2021 10:16:56 PM 436 Views
Lots of things might be treason - 14/09/2021 10:42:11 PM 440 Views
I am not disagreeing, it is treachery and it would be treason if someone acted - 14/09/2021 11:04:17 PM 410 Views
I also am not disagreeing. - 14/09/2021 11:14:49 PM 353 Views
Dan FUCKING Quayle! - 14/09/2021 11:17:34 PM 348 Views
I'm having shrimp with chili and lime sauce over rice. - 14/09/2021 11:25:57 PM 385 Views
Most pastas are bad for me *NM* - 14/09/2021 11:49:37 PM 222 Views
Gluten free? - 15/09/2021 03:12:45 AM 382 Views
sigh none of that in the house, way too much rise though *NM* - 15/09/2021 03:52:34 AM 214 Views
If there's one thing we've learned these last few years... - 24/09/2021 01:25:44 PM 356 Views
Yes. And also, morally correct - 14/09/2021 10:55:26 PM 423 Views
Morally correct would have been going public with invoking the 25th Amendment - 14/09/2021 11:08:45 PM 397 Views
Right, because that was going to actually make any kind of difference. - 15/09/2021 01:06:38 AM 406 Views
I disagree but acknowledge you have a valid opinion. - 15/09/2021 02:03:23 AM 343 Views
Thank you for your valid opinion Ned Stark - 15/09/2021 02:55:24 AM 404 Views
I view that as a compliment. - 15/09/2021 03:10:54 AM 389 Views
Blah Blah Blah Montesquieu in his spirits of laws that inspired Madison - 15/09/2021 03:51:56 AM 415 Views
Obviously history is written by the winners. - 15/09/2021 04:34:39 AM 387 Views
I dunno if we're disagreeing, so much as talking about different things - 15/09/2021 03:09:03 PM 401 Views
"...only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid & Comfort" - 16/09/2021 04:38:41 AM 418 Views
agreed - 16/09/2021 03:17:29 PM 404 Views
Just a reminder for I am an asshole - 16/09/2021 06:07:24 PM 358 Views
Yes. *NM* - 16/09/2021 03:20:12 PM 158 Views
I changed my mind. - 16/09/2021 06:26:25 PM 326 Views

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