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What stats are you contesting, exactly? Legolas Send a noteboard - 14/12/2023 02:12:18 PM

View original postI'm surprised someone as thoughtful as you would buy those.

What are you trying to claim? It's not as if I even mentioned any very specific numbers in my post, so I'm confused here.
View original postSecond, some 60% of the population of Gaza is under 18. I expect they have many fighters who could be classified as children. Many IDF troops are barely more than children.

So how many of the victims, according to you/the IDF, are Hamas fighters? How many of the child victims are?
View original postBut really, there is no other option. The US and western governments get that. Elon Musk, god bless him, said he hoped Israel would turn the other cheek. Impossible. But even if you just do a routine, by the numbers, tit for tat, who would be crazy enough to return to living anywhere near Gaza ?

'There is no other option' is bullshit. Certainly, the Israeli attack on Gaza was the expected reaction to the events of October 7th - expected also by Hamas' planners in advance, yet they did it anyway, because they knew that it would help them in the court of both Palestinian and global public opinion. But that doesn't mean it was the only possible reaction - or that it was a smart one. I'm sure you're familiar with the strategical advice from Sun Tzu and other thinkers to avoid reacting to enemy provocations in the way they expect and want you to.

And now the patience of even the US is running out, while nobody in Israel seems to have any real idea when this operation could stop or what could happen next after it.

View original postSo that would make the massacre a huge win for Hamas and invite more of the same.

You think this offensive isn't inviting more terrorism against Israel? If you kill a good number of Hamas fighters but at the same time give them ten times as many future recruits due to the enormous collateral damage, while also further weakening Israel's already limited international support, that sure looks like a very Pyrrhic kind of victory to me. In the end Hamas is still a terrorist organization, which you can't defeat in a conventional war. Of course they have a dual role and also govern the Gaza Strip, but under such circumstances and constraints that the point still holds.
View original postBut, at the same time, the 7.10 massacre was in a way a blessing.

View original postIsrael got off easy, because it seems the Iranian plan was probably to coordinate the same from the North and Gaza at the same time. Imagine 10000 Syrian-war veteran Hizbullah fighters descending on a thinly manned border while people are protesting a judicial reform. Might have taken 6 months to drive them off if at all. Who knows how many dead.

View original postThis thought alone, that the north could be captured while I am at the office, makes the ground shake under our collective feet.

Hizbullah is stronger conventionally than Hamas, no doubt, but on the other hand, they are a Lebanese political player and in the end care more about their position in Lebanon than about attacking Israel. So I see them as less of a problem in the greater scheme of things.
View original postSo now there is really nothing to it but to kill as many Hamas and friends as possible. And yeah, the hard part will come after, because I have no idea what to do with that black hole.

Nor does anyone else, that I've seen - except most of us think that if you couldn't think of a viable endgame, you shouldn't have gone in like that in the first place. As the Americans showed already several times over, in this century and the previous one.
View original postPersonally, I think the PA should control it with IDF backing, sort of reversing the 2005 withdrawl. But that doesn't have much support, so I don't know.

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The false narrative of the double standard damookster - 09/12/2023 02:33:25 PM 382 Views
ok *NM* Roland00 - 09/12/2023 07:27:01 PM 37 Views
Is this a good summary, NYT? Roland00 - 10/12/2023 01:20:47 AM 98 Views
It's as good as any. damookster - 10/12/2023 04:38:59 PM 78 Views
I noticed the OP was mostly opinion Roland00 - 10/12/2023 05:02:11 PM 74 Views
They dug their own graves Tom - 11/12/2023 12:24:16 AM 86 Views
There was an op-ed in the Washington Post claiming that antisemitism meets the Brandenburg standard. Ghavrel - 11/12/2023 01:01:39 AM 86 Views
Of course the pendulum will swing too far damookster - 11/12/2023 03:02:02 PM 82 Views
Re: They dug their own graves damookster - 11/12/2023 03:15:59 AM 75 Views
rhetorical question Mookie (it does not matter the answer) Roland00 - 11/12/2023 03:45:11 AM 82 Views
I have not damookster - 11/12/2023 02:49:55 PM 81 Views
Yeah that is why I asked Roland00 - 11/12/2023 04:24:40 PM 72 Views
There's a lot of double standards involved, aren't there? Legolas - 11/12/2023 07:02:06 PM 92 Views
We could go on and on with this damookster - 11/12/2023 08:58:28 PM 79 Views
that has NOT been my experience Roland00 - 11/12/2023 09:18:43 PM 80 Views
Yep, I know. Legolas - 12/12/2023 06:18:49 PM 82 Views
Re: Yep, I know. damookster - 12/12/2023 08:04:57 PM 74 Views
Re: Yep, I know. Legolas - 14/12/2023 01:33:53 PM 57 Views
Where do you get your stats ? AgentApple - 14/12/2023 07:09:02 AM 78 Views
the Hamas Ministry of Stats is likely an under-count Roland00 - 14/12/2023 12:57:46 PM 68 Views
Given the nature of Hamas, the numbers are likely an overcount The Shrike - 14/12/2023 01:16:00 PM 72 Views
whatever Roland00 - 14/12/2023 02:50:53 PM 73 Views
Given the choice between believing a Democracy and an Autocratic Terrorist Gov The Shrike - 14/12/2023 04:01:54 PM 72 Views
Chora I believe both are capable of lying Roland00 - 14/12/2023 04:16:14 PM 75 Views
To quote you, gurlfriend, "whatever". The Shrike - 14/12/2023 04:19:10 PM 67 Views
Obviously, anyone is capable of lying. damookster - 14/12/2023 04:30:29 PM 69 Views
You know that Roland is incapable of stating that the terrorist org Hamas is more likely to lie The Shrike - 14/12/2023 04:38:30 PM 63 Views
the names that Hamas was releasing in October Roland00 - 14/12/2023 04:49:06 PM 75 Views
What stats are you contesting, exactly? Legolas - 14/12/2023 02:12:18 PM 67 Views
Re: What stats are you contesting, exactly? AgentApple - 17/12/2023 02:34:34 PM 68 Views
Yeah, I'm still confused what you're trying to claim about the numbers Legolas - 17/12/2023 10:51:00 PM 69 Views
Out of curiosity, what do you think the best way forward is? Vodalus - 18/12/2023 03:52:34 AM 79 Views
I'm not sure your view of me on this is that accurate. Legolas - 20/12/2023 08:06:23 PM 62 Views
Because no one in the Arab world wants the "Palestinians" The Shrike - 14/12/2023 01:18:31 PM 66 Views
GDP per capita in Palestine is almost exactly equal to Egypt aerocontrols - 14/12/2023 05:36:55 PM 67 Views
There's always Antarctica Tom - 16/12/2023 03:22:01 AM 64 Views
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free aerocontrols - 13/12/2023 03:01:21 PM 73 Views
The idea is free from foreign oppression - internal freedom is, indeed, another story. Legolas - 14/12/2023 02:33:21 PM 68 Views
Re: The idea is free from foreign oppression - internal freedom is, indeed, another story. aerocontrols - 14/12/2023 03:13:36 PM 69 Views
Re: The idea is free from foreign oppression - internal freedom is, indeed, another story. Legolas - 14/12/2023 03:39:55 PM 66 Views
From my perspective, The Shrike - 14/12/2023 04:09:31 PM 72 Views
Well that's how it was at first... but I don't think you can go back there now. Legolas - 14/12/2023 07:57:52 PM 63 Views
It means free of Jews AgentApple - 17/12/2023 02:41:09 PM 65 Views
Re: From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free damookster - 14/12/2023 03:32:17 PM 68 Views
Is the point to imply that 'pre-1948' meant no Israeli state at all? Legolas - 14/12/2023 03:56:59 PM 64 Views
Exactly damookster - 14/12/2023 04:28:01 PM 73 Views
Those 3 Presidents are Bureaucratic Scum. The Shrike - 14/12/2023 01:21:56 PM 74 Views
So Claudine Gay, Harvard Pres resigns Roland00 - 02/01/2024 05:55:09 PM 55 Views
Re: So Claudine Gay, Harvard Pres resigns damookster - 03/01/2024 04:38:14 PM 49 Views
Hey that’s not fair! Roland00 - 03/01/2024 10:51:43 PM 57 Views
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