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I know it was factually true Tom Send a noteboard - 06/12/2024 12:46:44 AM

I can't say how I know due to attorney-client privilege, but I know that Joe Biden took money from Burisma personally. They'll never actually find the real transfers for a lot of reasons. The "10% for the big guy" might be the closest we get in open source documents.

As for Shokin, the EU wasn't investigating him. It was only after Polish ex-president Alexander Kwasniewski pushed them that they and the IMF "agreed" with Ukraine liaison Joe Biden. Kwasniewski was on the board of Burisma, too. Funny, that.

Oh, and let's not forget what the Ukrainian parliament did - they couldn't find a reputable attorney willing to act as chief prosecutor and not investigate Burisma, so they CHANGED THE UKRAINIAN LAW ON THE CHIEF PROSECUTOR TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT HE HAVE ANY LEGAL BACKGROUND WHATSOEVER, in an emergency session, to find a hack willing to play along with Biden's demand.

There aren't any conspiracy theories there. It's all pretty open and brazen. Kwasniewski lobbied the EU and IMF, Biden lobbied the US, suddenly everyone speaks "in unison" and then suddenly Ukraine has to replace him with a political hack with no legal experience or law degree.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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No Fucks Left to Give Joe tosses Hunter a blanket pardon damookster - 02/12/2024 09:23:33 PM 448 Views
I think if he hadn't said he wouldn't pardon his son, then this would be a non-issue. The Shrike - 03/12/2024 12:53:15 PM 250 Views
Re: I think if he hadn't said he wouldn't pardon his son, then this would be a non-issue. damookster - 03/12/2024 01:32:17 PM 167 Views
I don't agree with that - it would've been a serious issue still. Legolas - 03/12/2024 05:56:18 PM 176 Views
How about this? aerocontrols - 04/12/2024 03:43:52 AM 159 Views
Fully agree. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2024 06:40:15 AM 73 Views
I don't believe he'd been sentenced for those crimes, yet, had he? Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 07:14:04 AM 170 Views
Per 'old news', his sentencing dates were Dec 12 for the gun charge and 16 for tax evasion aerocontrols - 04/12/2024 01:30:11 PM 159 Views
In that case, yes, your solution is a good one. Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 03:58:32 PM 177 Views
Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 07:18:56 AM 180 Views
Re: Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. damookster - 04/12/2024 02:07:41 PM 178 Views
Ugh, I hate this 'they're all the same' rhetoric. Legolas - 04/12/2024 09:22:38 PM 230 Views
I respectfully disagree. damookster - 04/12/2024 11:09:07 PM 152 Views
Seems like we're kind of talking past each other here. Legolas - 05/12/2024 11:39:02 PM 176 Views
Trump had quite a few successes in his first term The Shrike - 06/12/2024 02:45:32 PM 232 Views
You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. Legolas - 06/12/2024 10:12:25 PM 185 Views
No, I mean him. *NM* The Shrike - 07/12/2024 12:38:27 AM 153 Views
Okay, then I guess we're not debating it, as you like. *NM* Legolas - 07/12/2024 08:54:03 AM 133 Views
The achievements of the administration are attributed to the President. The Shrike - 08/12/2024 10:50:43 AM 235 Views
Some people also think the earth is flat. Legolas - 08/12/2024 06:29:37 PM 205 Views
Le sigh The Shrike - 08/12/2024 09:03:01 PM 226 Views
Make up your mind already. Legolas - 08/12/2024 10:30:11 PM 212 Views
I listed his/the administration's achievements. What is there to debate? The Shrike - 08/12/2024 11:03:15 PM 233 Views
Debate tends to involve a back and forth, not just one side stating their views. Legolas - 09/12/2024 05:58:22 PM 219 Views
Re: You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. Vodalus - 09/12/2024 04:28:58 AM 190 Views
That, and way overpromise on what can actually be achieved by cracking down on China. Legolas - 09/12/2024 05:12:49 PM 241 Views
Re: That, and way overpromise on what can actually be achieved by cracking down on China. Vodalus - 10/12/2024 06:55:27 PM 185 Views
Hm. It doesn't seem like we disagree that much on the 'true partnerships' then. Legolas - 10/12/2024 07:52:39 PM 213 Views
Re: Hm. It doesn't seem like we disagree that much on the 'true partnerships' then. Vodalus - 10/12/2024 10:46:13 PM 199 Views
I see what you're saying, but I think that approach only works in the short term Legolas - 10/12/2024 11:54:59 PM 245 Views
Re: I see what you're saying, but I think that approach only works in the short term Vodalus - 11/12/2024 04:11:09 AM 219 Views
I mostly agree, with one giant caveat Tom - 05/12/2024 02:56:02 PM 228 Views
Re: I mostly agree, with one giant caveat damookster - 05/12/2024 03:49:00 PM 154 Views
I take a bit of umbrage at that assignment personally Tom - 06/12/2024 12:37:40 AM 238 Views
We've been over this - some of this is true, some is, at a minimum, not proven that I ever saw. Legolas - 05/12/2024 11:18:24 PM 154 Views
I know it was factually true Tom - 06/12/2024 12:46:44 AM 241 Views
Sounds like you need to become a whistleblower and go talk to the FBI yourself, then? Legolas - 06/12/2024 11:37:00 AM 160 Views
Typically, whistle blower and attorney client privilege are not viewed as compatible. damookster - 06/12/2024 03:57:12 PM 154 Views
I have a clearance aerocontrols - 06/12/2024 05:01:07 PM 174 Views
Re: I have a clearance damookster - 06/12/2024 08:08:50 PM 167 Views
Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed aerocontrols - 07/12/2024 09:31:10 PM 159 Views
Re: Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed damookster - 08/12/2024 03:46:54 PM 150 Views
Seriously? Legolas - 06/12/2024 10:28:07 PM 232 Views
Re: Seriously? damookster - 06/12/2024 11:33:59 PM 236 Views
Did you even read that earlier post? Legolas - 07/12/2024 08:53:15 AM 226 Views
I can't believe I'm siding with Tom here Ghavrel - 07/12/2024 01:50:15 AM 175 Views
I guess you kinda have to with your profession. Legolas - 07/12/2024 07:46:01 PM 210 Views
Re: I guess you kinda have to with your profession. damookster - 07/12/2024 08:07:28 PM 165 Views
See my other reply above then. *NM* Legolas - 07/12/2024 09:43:37 PM 141 Views
You're CLEARLY a Harris plant Cannoli - 06/12/2024 01:07:07 AM 174 Views
Hah, you got me! Legolas - 06/12/2024 11:49:19 AM 165 Views
Re: Hah, you got me! Cannoli - 07/12/2024 04:52:06 AM 159 Views
It's true that both parties have contributed to the decline of political norms/courtesies, yes. Legolas - 07/12/2024 09:42:18 PM 227 Views
Re: It's true that both parties have contributed to the decline of political norms/courtesies, yes. Cannoli - 10/12/2024 11:18:52 AM 170 Views
I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore Cannoli - 06/12/2024 01:24:44 AM 172 Views
Re: I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore damookster - 06/12/2024 01:47:08 AM 243 Views
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