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I can't believe I'm siding with Tom here Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 07/12/2024 01:50:15 AM

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Assuming that Tom does indeed possess proof that the current president of the USA was personally bribed by foreign companies, you find it 'ridiculous' and 'insulting' to suggest that he should provide such proof to competent law enforcement because maybe some things are bigger than his attorney-client privilege? Is this because of your 'all politicians are corrupt so we should just let them get away with everything' theories again?

While I'm not going to make any judgements on whether, ignoring laws, a lawyer in Tom's position should violate attorney-client privilege in order to share important information that would incriminate their attorneys, I will say that the privilege is essentially ironclad in positions like this.

So the question is then "should a lawyer violate a promise he has made to his clients, with the understanding that the attorney-client relationship undergirds basically the entire legal system and that he will be almost certainly be disbarred for the violation?"

I don't think it's ridiculous or insulting to say that he should, but I also think you're underselling the importance of confidentiality.

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No Fucks Left to Give Joe tosses Hunter a blanket pardon damookster - 02/12/2024 09:23:33 PM 576 Views
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Re: I think if he hadn't said he wouldn't pardon his son, then this would be a non-issue. damookster - 03/12/2024 01:32:17 PM 287 Views
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How about this? aerocontrols - 04/12/2024 03:43:52 AM 287 Views
Fully agree. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2024 06:40:15 AM 128 Views
I don't believe he'd been sentenced for those crimes, yet, had he? Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 07:14:04 AM 302 Views
Per 'old news', his sentencing dates were Dec 12 for the gun charge and 16 for tax evasion aerocontrols - 04/12/2024 01:30:11 PM 298 Views
In that case, yes, your solution is a good one. Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 03:58:32 PM 314 Views
Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 07:18:56 AM 304 Views
Re: Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. damookster - 04/12/2024 02:07:41 PM 295 Views
Ugh, I hate this 'they're all the same' rhetoric. Legolas - 04/12/2024 09:22:38 PM 341 Views
I respectfully disagree. damookster - 04/12/2024 11:09:07 PM 257 Views
Seems like we're kind of talking past each other here. Legolas - 05/12/2024 11:39:02 PM 306 Views
Trump had quite a few successes in his first term The Shrike - 06/12/2024 02:45:32 PM 376 Views
You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. Legolas - 06/12/2024 10:12:25 PM 308 Views
No, I mean him. *NM* The Shrike - 07/12/2024 12:38:27 AM 213 Views
Okay, then I guess we're not debating it, as you like. *NM* Legolas - 07/12/2024 08:54:03 AM 185 Views
The achievements of the administration are attributed to the President. The Shrike - 08/12/2024 10:50:43 AM 353 Views
Some people also think the earth is flat. Legolas - 08/12/2024 06:29:37 PM 318 Views
Le sigh The Shrike - 08/12/2024 09:03:01 PM 352 Views
Make up your mind already. Legolas - 08/12/2024 10:30:11 PM 320 Views
I listed his/the administration's achievements. What is there to debate? The Shrike - 08/12/2024 11:03:15 PM 356 Views
Debate tends to involve a back and forth, not just one side stating their views. Legolas - 09/12/2024 05:58:22 PM 350 Views
Re: You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. Vodalus - 09/12/2024 04:28:58 AM 311 Views
That, and way overpromise on what can actually be achieved by cracking down on China. Legolas - 09/12/2024 05:12:49 PM 359 Views
Re: That, and way overpromise on what can actually be achieved by cracking down on China. Vodalus - 10/12/2024 06:55:27 PM 318 Views
Hm. It doesn't seem like we disagree that much on the 'true partnerships' then. Legolas - 10/12/2024 07:52:39 PM 341 Views
Re: Hm. It doesn't seem like we disagree that much on the 'true partnerships' then. Vodalus - 10/12/2024 10:46:13 PM 332 Views
I see what you're saying, but I think that approach only works in the short term Legolas - 10/12/2024 11:54:59 PM 388 Views
Re: I see what you're saying, but I think that approach only works in the short term Vodalus - 11/12/2024 04:11:09 AM 353 Views
I mostly agree, with one giant caveat Tom - 05/12/2024 02:56:02 PM 361 Views
Re: I mostly agree, with one giant caveat damookster - 05/12/2024 03:49:00 PM 270 Views
I take a bit of umbrage at that assignment personally Tom - 06/12/2024 12:37:40 AM 359 Views
We've been over this - some of this is true, some is, at a minimum, not proven that I ever saw. Legolas - 05/12/2024 11:18:24 PM 278 Views
I know it was factually true Tom - 06/12/2024 12:46:44 AM 385 Views
Sounds like you need to become a whistleblower and go talk to the FBI yourself, then? Legolas - 06/12/2024 11:37:00 AM 277 Views
Typically, whistle blower and attorney client privilege are not viewed as compatible. damookster - 06/12/2024 03:57:12 PM 262 Views
I have a clearance aerocontrols - 06/12/2024 05:01:07 PM 325 Views
Re: I have a clearance damookster - 06/12/2024 08:08:50 PM 300 Views
Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed aerocontrols - 07/12/2024 09:31:10 PM 300 Views
Re: Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed damookster - 08/12/2024 03:46:54 PM 294 Views
Seriously? Legolas - 06/12/2024 10:28:07 PM 360 Views
Re: Seriously? damookster - 06/12/2024 11:33:59 PM 379 Views
Did you even read that earlier post? Legolas - 07/12/2024 08:53:15 AM 353 Views
I can't believe I'm siding with Tom here Ghavrel - 07/12/2024 01:50:15 AM 291 Views
I guess you kinda have to with your profession. Legolas - 07/12/2024 07:46:01 PM 313 Views
Re: I guess you kinda have to with your profession. damookster - 07/12/2024 08:07:28 PM 296 Views
See my other reply above then. *NM* Legolas - 07/12/2024 09:43:37 PM 189 Views
You're CLEARLY a Harris plant Cannoli - 06/12/2024 01:07:07 AM 310 Views
Hah, you got me! Legolas - 06/12/2024 11:49:19 AM 282 Views
Re: Hah, you got me! Cannoli - 07/12/2024 04:52:06 AM 277 Views
It's true that both parties have contributed to the decline of political norms/courtesies, yes. Legolas - 07/12/2024 09:42:18 PM 367 Views
Re: It's true that both parties have contributed to the decline of political norms/courtesies, yes. Cannoli - 10/12/2024 11:18:52 AM 295 Views
I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore Cannoli - 06/12/2024 01:24:44 AM 320 Views
Re: I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore damookster - 06/12/2024 01:47:08 AM 371 Views
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