So, it's Day 2. And none of us have kicked the bucket. We have one person who was targeted, but healed himself, Napoleon. I think that his claim is legitimate, so I would assume he's the person that was targeted by (one of the groups of) the NIPZ. Somebody suggested a Doc targeting himself is a waste resources, but I think it just paid itself back. We're at Day 1 with more information. I would suggest to him that he just keeps on targeting himself for the next few Nights. If we have 1 sure survivor, that improves the odds of the tourists winning. Plus, if the NIPZ want him dead, they will have to use two roles (RB and NK, if they even have a RB) to kill him, severely tying their wrists.
I do not think we can get anything useful Today from information on the creature that attacked Napoleon, as if I were NIPZ, I would keep the players that are in the spotlights out of the NK business (as there is too big a change of being Watched etc). It will likely come in handy later on, when the worlds are starting to become known, so any extra information would be appreciated.
Oh I don't know, I wouldn't be too surprised if we were able to figure something out, assuming that everyone told the truth about their settings, of course. And while I think you're right about the NIPZ generally keeping more visible players out of the spotlight, I am not particularly sure what you are trying to imply about the relevance of that fact to finding the horrible creature that attacked Napoleon. Am I missing something? Regardless of their participation in the conversation or the NK, we have a list of settings for everyone except F-T. And if he was indeed Rb'd, then he couldn't have attacked Napoleon anyway.
F-T seems to either be RBed or maybe NKed by slow working poison, as per DK's suggestion. We'll see what happens there soon. I really hope it's a RB.
(Keep in mind though, that it can always be a false claim, trying to get away from any suspicion at all.)
It does place him pretty squarely in the prob-town category. And it's not like there's anyone else who could contradict his lie if he is Mafia since it's contingent on the actions of the Mafia.
The question is then of course why nobody targeted two of the most obvious targets. As Kronin mentioned, I would be one of them. Following my own line of reasoning from the last game when I was scum, I would leave myself alive, too. I remember discussions (with Kronin amongst others) why certain people should or should not be killed. One of the reasons for leaving an obvious target alive is "I think we can get a Lynch out of him, yet." Seeing how my reputation was at the end of Day 1, I can clearly see the Nipz thinking they can get me Lynched, soon.
I don't think you're an obvious target. Just because Kronin turned out to not be evil doesn't mean that you are automatically innocent. As I seem to recall, the case against you was that you and Kronin appeared to be working together for evil ends? And then Kronin started sticking his foot in his mouth and we leaped all over him. So in retrospect you obviously weren't working with Kronin, but that doesn't necessarily make you prob-town. In my opinion, you have about the same chances as most other people as being Mafia. I think I will take some time to go back through Yesterday and review what went down.
The other obvious candidate is Isaac. He's been suggesting a lot of things and questions. All of these things can be considered anti-Town (as I stated on Day one, and as Napoleon reiterated in his post above - 122822). If, on the other hand, they're in fact pro-Town, the NIPZ should have to kill him ASAP, before he makes the vital link between the NIPZ and their claims. Added to this, Kronin has his own feelings of misdirections by Isaac, as per his post 122955.
I would disagree that ALL these things can be considered anti-Town. Yes, the line of questioning Yesterday culminated in the lynch of Townie. But Kronin genuinely messed-up, he said so himself. I don't think the fault there can be laid in the questions themselves - I think on the whole they have been helpful. Right now we are using them to try to find whomever attacked Napoleon. Besides, whatever forces the Scum to stick to one story is good in my opinion.
So while I do think Isaac's questions idea was pro-Town, I don't think that necessarily in and of itself would be motivation for the scum to NK him. After all, what's done is done, and killing him after the fact is not going to make the questions go away. Furthermore, he had already garnered some opposition Yesterday, so killing him would only remove a potential lynch target, as you've said yourself. And then there's always the WIFOM of who's going to be Doc'd and who's going to be NK'd, so to make a long story short I don't find it particularly surprising or suspicious that Isaac is still alive.
Therefore:
Vote: Isaac
I did steal the Chair yesterday, so I'll now give my vote to Darth_Katie. She deserves it, after having the victory stolen by me and Barbie.
Euh, I mean Kronin.
Chair Vote: Darth_Katie.
Thanks. I promise to use my powers for good and no evil.

I will hypocop shortly. I do warn though, that my contributions to this game can stop for a short while without warning any minute now. I already informed rana about the reason (my wife's having a baby any day now), and I will try to get a message on the CMB, but just so you know.
I also thought up a question that we can ask Today, but I would like to get some imput from others before I put it forward. My question would be "did you receive a Dawn and/or Dusk message?". Just answer yes/no. Personally I'm not convinced it will get us information that we need, or will help us forward. Discuss?
Absolutely not, for reasons that have already been outlined.
One last suggestion: If we Hypocop, would it also be a good suggestion to hypodoc, hypotrack, hypowatch or something? Or would that produce too much data that is ultimately of no use to us? (If not giving us too much ways of making mistakes as Town-players.)
No, I think if we get too many of those going it will be too confusing. Hypocopping is good enough.
Insert theme music here.
RAFO Mafia 17, Day 2: Stayin' Alive
- 26/06/2010 07:39:13 AM
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Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive
- 26/06/2010 03:48:30 PM
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I as well was attacked
- 26/06/2010 09:00:28 PM
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A beast? That's interesting
- 26/06/2010 10:08:33 PM
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If we can identify it from a particular series, we might be able to nab the attacker. *NM*
- 26/06/2010 10:14:45 PM
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Alright here is a repost of yesterday's info
- 26/06/2010 10:22:58 PM
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Alright, Here comes some analysis out the wazoo.
- 27/06/2010 06:35:59 PM
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Yes, it was a beast
- 26/06/2010 11:19:13 PM
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Was it a werewolf?
- 26/06/2010 11:30:27 PM
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No evidence to suggest it was...
- 26/06/2010 11:44:35 PM
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Re: No evidence to suggest it was...
- 26/06/2010 11:49:00 PM
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I know how I was saved
- 27/06/2010 12:02:39 AM
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Re: I know how I was saved
- 27/06/2010 12:21:59 AM
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A few ideas
- 27/06/2010 12:36:45 AM
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Re: A few ideas
- 27/06/2010 01:06:11 AM
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So, I guess Kronin/Blaine should provide their info now to the questions from yesterday
- 26/06/2010 05:05:17 PM
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Alright, questions.
- 26/06/2010 06:04:13 PM
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You forgot HDG *NM*
- 26/06/2010 11:43:40 PM
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Which is.... *NM*
- 27/06/2010 12:53:22 AM
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Going back to yesterday
- 26/06/2010 10:16:23 PM
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I am still in fact suspicious of Isaac
- 26/06/2010 11:21:58 PM
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damn
- 26/06/2010 11:33:59 PM
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Yeah, I think he should divulge. *NM*
- 27/06/2010 04:11:13 AM
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EBWOP - Elaboration.
- 27/06/2010 04:12:44 AM
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FINE. FINE. FINE
- 27/06/2010 12:27:33 PM
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Whyyyyyyyyyy
- 27/06/2010 05:34:05 PM
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This is pretty much what I expected...
- 27/06/2010 08:29:43 PM
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I'm inclined to believe his claim
- 27/06/2010 11:47:29 PM
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Well, he could be a threat as a pretty probable pro-town player, if we accept his claim.
- 28/06/2010 06:00:32 AM
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Since no one seems to have listened to my dying shouts.
- 27/06/2010 01:03:10 AM
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I hadn't really thought of that
- 27/06/2010 01:31:01 AM
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Short post, with elaboration to come later.
- 27/06/2010 03:00:43 PM
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Okay, elaboration time.
- 27/06/2010 06:19:49 PM
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Re: Okay, elaboration time.
- 28/06/2010 02:39:54 AM
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Now, what I want to know.
- 28/06/2010 04:47:17 AM
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Your basically wildly speculating with an assumption of guilt
- 28/06/2010 06:00:53 AM
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You're not seeing my point.
- 28/06/2010 05:46:59 PM
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Re: You're not seeing my point.
- 28/06/2010 06:39:05 PM
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Okay, fair enough. I guess onto other points for now.
- 28/06/2010 07:28:02 PM
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It's also possible that there are multiple characters from the same setting. *NM*
- 28/06/2010 08:58:35 PM
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So, where'd the night kill go?
- 28/06/2010 10:01:00 PM
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You know, I find that reaction a bit odd, and it adds to my suspicion of Isaac
- 28/06/2010 10:39:09 PM
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That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them
- 29/06/2010 05:46:12 AM
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Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them
- 29/06/2010 06:16:58 AM
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Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them
- 29/06/2010 06:33:22 AM
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Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them
- 29/06/2010 06:57:08 AM
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Hypocop Table!
- 27/06/2010 05:37:07 PM
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Staying Alive indeed
- 28/06/2010 12:31:47 PM
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Congratulations! How wonderful
- 28/06/2010 08:42:51 PM
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- 28/06/2010 08:42:51 PM
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Congrats to you, and I shall also Vote Chair: Darth_Katie
- 28/06/2010 10:15:32 PM
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Two things:
- 28/06/2010 10:34:31 PM
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For what it's worth, there was a third fraction in that game though.
- 28/06/2010 10:45:08 PM
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Also
- 28/06/2010 11:07:34 PM
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Yunalesca - innocent *NM*
- 28/06/2010 12:33:03 PM
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EBWOP - Why can't I post ANYthing in the right place? Just disregard, I'll repost in the Table *NM*
- 28/06/2010 01:28:10 PM
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Voting record.
- 28/06/2010 10:03:33 PM
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And according to ranagrande, the VNTL was just 7, with Amys, Blaine, Hobo, and Talic all inactive. *NM*
- 28/06/2010 10:17:25 PM
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you guys are so slow on the uptake you know *NM*
- 28/06/2010 10:43:58 PM
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And you've only realized that now?
- 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM
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- 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM
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read my posts carefully
- 28/06/2010 11:01:45 PM
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Okay, let's do that
- 29/06/2010 06:10:28 AM
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I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones
- 29/06/2010 07:31:32 AM
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Re: I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones
- 29/06/2010 04:27:18 PM
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i confessed to being the beast *NM*
- 29/06/2010 04:36:40 PM
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Well, that... doesn't sound smart.
- 29/06/2010 04:48:22 PM
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I mean, this is just an obvious way to get yourself lynched.
- 29/06/2010 04:48:49 PM
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I'm guessing she got bored with the game and wants us to lynch her *NM*
- 29/06/2010 06:26:22 PM
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Sorry. I've been so busy.
- 30/06/2010 12:54:17 AM
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Re: Sorry. I've been so busy.
- 30/06/2010 12:57:48 AM
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Re: Sorry. I've been so busy.
- 30/06/2010 01:23:06 AM
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Then please repeat it for me.
- 30/06/2010 02:08:28 AM
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I always thought it was
- 30/06/2010 02:49:57 AM
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Re: I always thought it was
- 30/06/2010 03:46:22 AM
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I didn't think there was anything that made Napoleon stand out Yesterday either.
- 30/06/2010 04:32:25 AM
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That whole thing would have worked if Yuna didn't have psychopathic flavortext...
- 30/06/2010 04:15:01 AM
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I've never heard of the rule and would actually think it anti-town for the vig not to kill
- 30/06/2010 04:34:10 AM
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Because it isn't like a lynch at all.
- 30/06/2010 06:30:04 AM
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the quiet ones...
- 01/07/2010 09:58:52 AM
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Some advice
- 01/07/2010 12:40:13 PM
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You're probably right...
- 01/07/2010 01:41:13 PM
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This has definitely been going slower than normal. Hopefully it will pick up soon.
- 02/07/2010 08:57:26 PM
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Does this damn thing work yet? >.< *NM*
- 29/06/2010 07:36:31 PM
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Holy crap it does, my account has been bugged for a little bit now and wouldnt post anything =/
- 29/06/2010 07:40:28 PM
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So, Yuna. What's your game?
- 30/06/2010 04:16:28 AM
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*laughs*
- 30/06/2010 10:30:38 AM
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Darn, I had my finger crossed for Oz, Seth Green's werewolf character in Buffy
- 30/06/2010 01:46:01 PM
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Let me just say this: If she is a Jester...
- 30/06/2010 04:10:23 PM
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I agree
- 30/06/2010 05:20:18 PM
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Screw the Jesters.
- 30/06/2010 07:22:59 PM
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It's a defense against getting lynched only if we don't have any other ways of getting rid of them
- 30/06/2010 09:12:09 PM
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Too much room for error, plus it leaves it open for future claims
- 30/06/2010 10:04:56 PM
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I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess
- 01/07/2010 04:10:05 AM
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Re: I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess
- 01/07/2010 05:43:01 AM
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Jester's are awful. They ruin the game.
- 01/07/2010 06:26:39 AM
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That apostrophe is driving me insane *NM*
- 02/07/2010 01:51:23 AM
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I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts
. *NM*
- 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM
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I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts
. *NM*
- 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM
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I'll allow you to edit that one if you wish to.
- 02/07/2010 04:00:05 AM
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Sigh... check the history of that post for part 2 of the comedy of errors *NM*
- 02/07/2010 04:12:33 AM
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unfortunatly im RBIRL
- 01/07/2010 10:11:22 AM
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It's the Independence Day weekend in the US, too, so
- 01/07/2010 04:55:44 PM
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Testing... (Table)
- 01/07/2010 05:18:38 PM
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Anyone can do that?
- 01/07/2010 05:26:48 PM
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Re: Anyone can do that?
- 01/07/2010 05:34:20 PM
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hmm
- 01/07/2010 05:28:35 PM
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Oh, you have to get a membership
- 01/07/2010 05:36:46 PM
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Re: Oh, you have to get a membership
- 01/07/2010 06:03:21 PM
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I am SO cheap.
- 01/07/2010 06:42:15 PM
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I donated to the site
- 02/07/2010 08:32:55 AM
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Darth_Katie has been elected Chair
- 01/07/2010 06:07:37 PM
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So... why not just vote for Yuna and end the day?
- 03/07/2010 05:56:18 AM
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I think we might've already?
- 03/07/2010 06:38:55 AM
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I think you misspelled Yunalesca as Yunalesa
- 03/07/2010 12:01:26 PM
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- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM
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- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM
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Nah, I'm not that much of a stickler for spelling
- 03/07/2010 05:35:16 PM
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.....? *NM*
- 03/07/2010 05:50:14 PM
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Someone must have blocked her vote
- 03/07/2010 07:19:50 PM
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Could be the other way 'round...
- 03/07/2010 09:20:15 PM
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Re: Could be the other way 'round...
- 03/07/2010 10:37:10 PM
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Re:
- 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM
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- 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM
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Maybe
- 03/07/2010 07:19:55 PM
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Whatever happened happened between edits 5 and 6 on the vote table
- 03/07/2010 07:28:33 PM
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Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense
- 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM
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She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL.
- 04/07/2010 12:27:34 AM
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Re: She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL.
- 04/07/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Well, actually kill her.
- 04/07/2010 01:04:41 AM
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Re: Well, actually kill her.
- 04/07/2010 01:09:16 AM
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That might do it
- 04/07/2010 01:12:45 AM
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Anybody else maybe just want to vote to get this definitely over with? *NM*
- 04/07/2010 01:33:44 AM
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I definitely don't want to vote her
- 04/07/2010 04:10:07 AM
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Agreed...
- 04/07/2010 05:30:31 AM
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Explain that
- 04/07/2010 02:38:01 PM
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*cackles wickedly*
- 06/07/2010 04:24:01 AM
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For the record, not really supposed to post in this thread after the Day's over.
*NM*
- 06/07/2010 04:48:29 AM
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*NM*
- 06/07/2010 04:48:29 AM
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Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell.
- 04/07/2010 02:31:38 AM
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Re: Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell.
- 04/07/2010 03:34:55 AM
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Does it really matter if she wins?
- 04/07/2010 03:39:43 AM
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It means we waste a lynch though.
- 04/07/2010 04:11:50 AM
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You seem to be assuming that if she's a jester the DFs will kill her
- 04/07/2010 04:20:13 AM
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Ohhhhh I think I figured out what happened to me.
- 04/07/2010 05:28:32 AM
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If it's a vote steal, rather than a block...
- 04/07/2010 05:55:49 AM
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I think a steal makes more sense with the money transaction.
- 04/07/2010 06:09:50 AM
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Don't know if that would work...
- 04/07/2010 06:24:17 AM
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It's Artsapat, has to be
- 04/07/2010 02:32:16 PM
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I don't know anything about the Million Dollar Man
- 04/07/2010 03:28:19 PM
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On the other hand, that seems like such a scummy thing to do, steal somebody's vote. *NM*
- 04/07/2010 03:29:55 PM
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That was my thought also,
- 04/07/2010 06:07:49 PM
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Re: That was my thought also,
- 04/07/2010 06:16:34 PM
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- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM
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- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM
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Actually
- 05/07/2010 03:46:42 PM
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