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There's a second half to that too Isaac Send a noteboard - 30/06/2010 07:12:37 AM
Any lynch will involve more than half the town, with a lot of information thrown out by the people pressing or opposing the lynch. This can be used to divine those players' intentions.

With a night kill, there is no information. We don't even know if the person was killed by a vigilante, a serial killer, the mafia, or someone else.


With a vig night 1 kill, we tend to assume TANK-F, but if it doesn't happen till night 2, a later vig claim is more believable.

Plus of course there's the judgement factor, a lot of people who become firmly convinced someone is a DF on day 1 are in orbit, because typically if there was real evidence for it they would have been lynched. Now, a vig would have had a good case to whack Artsapat, for instance, or pretty much any runner up for lynch where the person who got lynched didn't basically prove the runner up innocent. There's certainly cases where a night 1 vig kill is in order, I just tend not to expect better than random from them.

Better for them not to kill, but any of them should ask - especially before a night 1 kill - 'If this person is a town, can I explain my action better than as a hunch to the other townies?'
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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 2: Stayin' Alive - 26/06/2010 07:39:13 AM 1870 Views
Vote Table - 26/06/2010 07:40:39 AM 877 Views
Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 03:48:30 PM 864 Views
Re: Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 04:20:48 PM 838 Views
I was poisoned. - 26/06/2010 04:33:50 PM 902 Views
Yeah, that's interesting. - 26/06/2010 06:04:45 PM 844 Views
I as well was attacked - 26/06/2010 09:00:28 PM 937 Views
A beast? That's interesting - 26/06/2010 10:08:33 PM 857 Views
If we can identify it from a particular series, we might be able to nab the attacker. *NM* - 26/06/2010 10:14:45 PM 466 Views
Alright here is a repost of yesterday's info - 26/06/2010 10:22:58 PM 890 Views
Alright, Here comes some analysis out the wazoo. - 27/06/2010 06:35:59 PM 892 Views
I'll just say one thing - 28/06/2010 12:01:32 AM 790 Views
Well, I should pay attention. - 28/06/2010 04:48:18 AM 811 Views
Yes, it was a beast - 26/06/2010 11:19:13 PM 834 Views
Was it a werewolf? - 26/06/2010 11:30:27 PM 892 Views
No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:44:35 PM 893 Views
Re: No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:49:00 PM 892 Views
I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:02:39 AM 923 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:21:59 AM 798 Views
A few ideas - 27/06/2010 12:36:45 AM 856 Views
Re: A few ideas - 27/06/2010 01:06:11 AM 804 Views
Hmm, why is that? - 27/06/2010 02:23:31 AM 865 Views
That BP is usually town? - 27/06/2010 03:13:11 AM 798 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:12:32 AM 862 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:30:29 AM 732 Views
So, I guess Kronin/Blaine should provide their info now to the questions from yesterday - 26/06/2010 05:05:17 PM 798 Views
Alright, questions. - 26/06/2010 06:04:13 PM 880 Views
You forgot HDG *NM* - 26/06/2010 11:43:40 PM 460 Views
Which is.... *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:53:22 AM 499 Views
Heroic Do Gooder *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:56:21 AM 497 Views
Yes *NM* - 27/06/2010 03:01:59 PM 462 Views
Sorry guys, but life is suddenly way busy. - 26/06/2010 09:08:19 PM 794 Views
We'll miss you - 27/06/2010 03:06:27 PM 756 Views
Going back to yesterday - 26/06/2010 10:16:23 PM 818 Views
I am still in fact suspicious of Isaac - 26/06/2010 11:21:58 PM 842 Views
damn - 26/06/2010 11:33:59 PM 895 Views
Yeah, I think he should divulge. *NM* - 27/06/2010 04:11:13 AM 428 Views
EBWOP - Elaboration. - 27/06/2010 04:12:44 AM 884 Views
FINE. FINE. FINE - 27/06/2010 12:27:33 PM 836 Views
Whyyyyyyyyyy - 27/06/2010 05:34:05 PM 801 Views
This is pretty much what I expected... - 27/06/2010 08:29:43 PM 794 Views
I'm inclined to believe his claim - 27/06/2010 11:47:29 PM 878 Views
Since no one seems to have listened to my dying shouts. - 27/06/2010 01:03:10 AM 830 Views
I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 01:31:01 AM 872 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:08:58 AM 886 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:45:35 AM 800 Views
That's right! You're alive again! DUDE, I am so annoyed at you! - 27/06/2010 07:22:20 AM 780 Views
Short post, with elaboration to come later. - 27/06/2010 03:00:43 PM 829 Views
Okay, elaboration time. - 27/06/2010 06:19:49 PM 819 Views
Hmm, that is a pretty bold accusation - 27/06/2010 11:55:23 PM 766 Views
Re: Okay, elaboration time. - 28/06/2010 02:39:54 AM 756 Views
Now, what I want to know. - 28/06/2010 04:47:17 AM 773 Views
Your basically wildly speculating with an assumption of guilt - 28/06/2010 06:00:53 AM 762 Views
You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 05:46:59 PM 677 Views
Re: You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 06:39:05 PM 809 Views
Okay, fair enough. I guess onto other points for now. - 28/06/2010 07:28:02 PM 780 Views
Then let's return to Artsapat for now - 28/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 776 Views
So, where'd the night kill go? - 28/06/2010 10:01:00 PM 719 Views
That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 05:46:12 AM 804 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:16:58 AM 769 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:33:22 AM 813 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:57:08 AM 774 Views
Hypocop Table! - 27/06/2010 05:37:07 PM 814 Views
I found F-T to be Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 05:37:19 PM 464 Views
i found Amys to be Guilty *NM* - 27/06/2010 06:20:15 PM 494 Views
I found myself to be roleblocked, so... yeah. *NM* - 27/06/2010 08:31:37 PM 496 Views
F-T; Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 11:57:15 PM 429 Views
Beetnemesis innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:29:18 AM 378 Views
Isaac- innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:19:00 AM 449 Views
Napoleon - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:01 AM 417 Views
I found I was dead. *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:39 AM 430 Views
Are you saying you didn't get Blaine's role until dawn? *NM* - 28/06/2010 11:59:31 AM 456 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 01:28:38 PM 438 Views
Fox - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 07:44:54 PM 348 Views
Isaac is guilty... GUILTY I SAY!! Also; - 01/07/2010 05:53:17 PM 748 Views
Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 12:31:47 PM 843 Views
dawn/dusk - no *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:35:59 PM 431 Views
Re: Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 04:33:30 PM 774 Views
Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 04:41:26 PM 763 Views
Re: Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 05:26:45 PM 788 Views
I thought so, it's why I wanted to check with others *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:25:16 PM 496 Views
Well, first off, congratulations. - 28/06/2010 05:43:47 PM 758 Views
Congratulations! How wonderful - 28/06/2010 08:42:51 PM 772 Views
Congrats to you, and I shall also Vote Chair: Darth_Katie - 28/06/2010 10:15:32 PM 745 Views
Two things: - 28/06/2010 10:34:31 PM 815 Views
For what it's worth, there was a third fraction in that game though. - 28/06/2010 10:45:08 PM 813 Views
Oh, well according to him - 28/06/2010 10:55:05 PM 779 Views
Also - 28/06/2010 11:07:34 PM 702 Views
We could be dealing with just a Cult. - 28/06/2010 11:42:19 PM 784 Views
Yeah, but if we got lucky... game over on Day 1 *NM* - 29/06/2010 12:25:54 AM 449 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 12:33:03 PM 365 Views
Voting record. - 28/06/2010 10:03:33 PM 833 Views
Hey, isn't this Katie's job? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:18:10 PM 460 Views
Hey, volunteer yourself. - 28/06/2010 10:47:22 PM 727 Views
I'll probably spew one out again - 29/06/2010 05:49:54 AM 726 Views
you guys are so slow on the uptake you know *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:43:58 PM 484 Views
What? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:49:47 PM 431 Views
And you've only realized that now? - 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM 734 Views
read my posts carefully - 28/06/2010 11:01:45 PM 729 Views
... - 28/06/2010 11:49:07 PM 809 Views
Okay, let's do that - 29/06/2010 06:10:28 AM 798 Views
Don't suppose you checked her posts for spoilers, did you? - 29/06/2010 07:22:13 AM 787 Views
Yes, nothing - 29/06/2010 08:20:33 AM 845 Views
*laughs helplessly* - 01/07/2010 09:21:48 AM 853 Views
I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 07:31:32 AM 827 Views
Re: I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 04:27:18 PM 751 Views
i confessed to being the beast *NM* - 29/06/2010 04:36:40 PM 471 Views
Well, that... doesn't sound smart. - 29/06/2010 04:48:22 PM 840 Views
I mean, this is just an obvious way to get yourself lynched. - 29/06/2010 04:48:49 PM 818 Views
I'm guessing she got bored with the game and wants us to lynch her *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:26:22 PM 492 Views
Actually I'm betting on a Buffy claim right now *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:44:54 PM 471 Views
I say we don't lynch - 29/06/2010 07:11:50 PM 816 Views
We should probably just wait for her claim *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:18:13 PM 466 Views
Oh, come on - 29/06/2010 04:50:09 PM 749 Views
Yep, now is probably a good time to Role Claim. *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:01:01 PM 484 Views
I think a few people might have intially thought that - 29/06/2010 10:25:06 PM 810 Views
Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:54:17 AM 753 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:57:48 AM 852 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 01:23:06 AM 782 Views
Then please repeat it for me. - 30/06/2010 02:08:28 AM 728 Views
I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 02:49:57 AM 771 Views
Re: I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 03:46:22 AM 767 Views
Yes, that makes more sense. - 30/06/2010 04:14:50 AM 780 Views
That whole thing would have worked if Yuna didn't have psychopathic flavortext... - 30/06/2010 04:15:01 AM 725 Views
It still worked out pretty well, as I recall. - 30/06/2010 04:30:18 AM 717 Views
I've never heard of the rule and would actually think it anti-town for the vig not to kill - 30/06/2010 04:34:10 AM 738 Views
Because it isn't like a lynch at all. - 30/06/2010 06:30:04 AM 759 Views
There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:12:37 AM 766 Views
Re: There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:21:09 PM 787 Views
the quiet ones... - 01/07/2010 09:58:52 AM 788 Views
Some advice - 01/07/2010 12:40:13 PM 717 Views
You're probably right... - 01/07/2010 01:41:13 PM 755 Views
This has definitely been going slower than normal. Hopefully it will pick up soon. - 02/07/2010 08:57:26 PM 794 Views
Always a good thing. *NM* - 03/07/2010 04:38:34 AM 376 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 02/07/2010 08:21:48 AM 738 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 03/07/2010 04:39:26 AM 726 Views
Does this damn thing work yet? >.< *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:36:31 PM 470 Views
Yes? *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:40:11 PM 328 Views
So, Yuna. What's your game? - 30/06/2010 04:16:28 AM 790 Views
If she's a vig, I'll be slightly disappointed - 30/06/2010 04:37:10 AM 768 Views
*laughs* - 30/06/2010 10:30:38 AM 773 Views
I don't know what kind of game you're playing. - 30/06/2010 01:11:02 PM 783 Views
Darn, I had my finger crossed for Oz, Seth Green's werewolf character in Buffy - 30/06/2010 01:46:01 PM 793 Views
Let me just say this: If she is a Jester... - 30/06/2010 04:10:23 PM 737 Views
I agree - 30/06/2010 05:20:18 PM 729 Views
It seems win-win either way - 30/06/2010 06:29:41 PM 769 Views
Screw the Jesters. - 30/06/2010 07:22:59 PM 820 Views
It's a defense against getting lynched only if we don't have any other ways of getting rid of them - 30/06/2010 09:12:09 PM 814 Views
Too much room for error, plus it leaves it open for future claims - 30/06/2010 10:04:56 PM 810 Views
I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 04:10:05 AM 770 Views
Re: I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 05:43:01 AM 808 Views
Jester's are awful. They ruin the game. - 01/07/2010 06:26:39 AM 815 Views
That apostrophe is driving me insane *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:51:23 AM 439 Views
I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts . *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM 316 Views
I'll allow you to edit that one if you wish to. - 02/07/2010 04:00:05 AM 763 Views
Sigh... check the history of that post for part 2 of the comedy of errors *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:12:33 AM 413 Views
Hah! Awesome *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:14:33 AM 430 Views
*giggle* *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:43:25 AM 428 Views
unfortunatly im RBIRL - 01/07/2010 10:11:22 AM 724 Views
See? It's stuff like this - 01/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 703 Views
It's the Independence Day weekend in the US, too, so - 01/07/2010 04:55:44 PM 762 Views
EBWOP: and also Artsapat! - 01/07/2010 04:57:39 PM 763 Views
I'm still here. Unfortunately... - 02/07/2010 08:30:01 AM 671 Views
It's Canada Day today! - 01/07/2010 05:44:52 PM 757 Views
any excuse for a party! *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:12:30 PM 455 Views
Testing... (Table) - 01/07/2010 05:18:38 PM 913 Views
Huzzah! - 01/07/2010 05:20:04 PM 730 Views
Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:26:48 PM 760 Views
No, guess not. - 01/07/2010 05:27:58 PM 784 Views
Re: Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:34:20 PM 786 Views
Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 837 Views
Re: Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:42:37 PM 766 Views
hmm - 01/07/2010 05:28:35 PM 783 Views
Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 05:36:46 PM 780 Views
Re: Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 06:03:21 PM 907 Views
I am SO cheap. - 01/07/2010 06:42:15 PM 691 Views
I donated to the site - 02/07/2010 08:32:55 AM 745 Views
There, there. - 02/07/2010 08:39:06 PM 754 Views
This allows you to instantly defeat any moral Anakin. - 02/07/2010 09:16:13 PM 660 Views
Ah, OK - 01/07/2010 06:04:11 PM 768 Views
No luck with page anchors - 01/07/2010 06:23:44 PM 766 Views
And yeah, I will quit screwing around with it in the game - 01/07/2010 06:25:38 PM 797 Views
Darth_Katie has been elected Chair - 01/07/2010 06:07:37 PM 778 Views
Can I unvote if I want? - 01/07/2010 06:41:02 PM 691 Views
Yeah, it was advocate that couldn't undo and redo - 01/07/2010 06:44:43 PM 841 Views
So... why not just vote for Yuna and end the day? - 03/07/2010 05:56:18 AM 793 Views
I think we might've already? - 03/07/2010 06:38:55 AM 784 Views
I didn't miss them - 03/07/2010 08:14:15 AM 607 Views
You spelled her name wrong DK *NM* - 03/07/2010 11:53:02 AM 538 Views
I think you misspelled Yunalesca as Yunalesa - 03/07/2010 12:01:26 PM 843 Views
- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM 772 Views
Nah, I'm not that much of a stickler for spelling - 03/07/2010 05:35:16 PM 796 Views
.....? *NM* - 03/07/2010 05:50:14 PM 452 Views
Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 07:19:50 PM 755 Views
Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 09:20:15 PM 753 Views
Re: Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 10:37:10 PM 811 Views
Just thinking aloud. - 03/07/2010 11:11:27 PM 760 Views
Understandable, I don't think this was a day action though - 03/07/2010 11:40:00 PM 722 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:27:52 PM 738 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:37:08 PM 985 Views
Re: - 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM 743 Views
Maybe - 03/07/2010 07:19:55 PM 781 Views
Whatever happened happened between edits 5 and 6 on the vote table - 03/07/2010 07:28:33 PM 772 Views
That was actually a mistake my me - 03/07/2010 08:28:43 PM 783 Views
Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense - 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM 772 Views
She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:27:34 AM 837 Views
Re: She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:58:52 AM 683 Views
Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:04:41 AM 826 Views
Re: Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:09:16 AM 719 Views
Yea! *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:12:06 AM 315 Views
Wait, we're still L-1 - 04/07/2010 01:12:55 AM 731 Views
That might do it - 04/07/2010 01:12:45 AM 785 Views
Anybody else maybe just want to vote to get this definitely over with? *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:33:44 AM 461 Views
I definitely don't want to vote her - 04/07/2010 04:10:07 AM 726 Views
Agreed... - 04/07/2010 05:30:31 AM 740 Views
Explain that - 04/07/2010 02:38:01 PM 813 Views
*cackles wickedly* - 06/07/2010 04:24:01 AM 746 Views
Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 02:31:38 AM 739 Views
Re: Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 03:34:55 AM 760 Views
Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:39:43 AM 800 Views
Exactly *NM* - 04/07/2010 03:46:00 AM 547 Views
Re: Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:57:19 AM 763 Views
It means we waste a lynch though. - 04/07/2010 04:11:50 AM 781 Views
You seem to be assuming that if she's a jester the DFs will kill her - 04/07/2010 04:20:13 AM 720 Views
I'm not assuming that - 04/07/2010 04:40:06 PM 805 Views
Ohhhhh I think I figured out what happened to me. - 04/07/2010 05:28:32 AM 817 Views
If it's a vote steal, rather than a block... - 04/07/2010 05:55:49 AM 711 Views
I think a steal makes more sense with the money transaction. - 04/07/2010 06:09:50 AM 721 Views
Don't know if that would work... - 04/07/2010 06:24:17 AM 755 Views
We could try, at least. - 04/07/2010 03:22:17 PM 756 Views
Oh sure, I agree. - 04/07/2010 06:04:20 PM 711 Views
It's Artsapat, has to be - 04/07/2010 02:32:16 PM 774 Views
I don't know anything about the Million Dollar Man - 04/07/2010 03:28:19 PM 747 Views
In one of my previous mafia games, I was a vote thief - 04/07/2010 04:50:18 PM 774 Views
That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:07:49 PM 759 Views
Re: That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:16:34 PM 762 Views
- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM 773 Views
Actually - 05/07/2010 03:46:42 PM 772 Views
I'm fairly content with that logic - 05/07/2010 04:37:41 PM 771 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 597 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 703 Views
EBWOP: Something is wrong with my mouse *NM* - 05/07/2010 04:43:03 PM 450 Views
Yeah, that sounds pretty legit. - 05/07/2010 04:54:34 PM 799 Views
Kinda overlooked the RB comment, also, you need to unvote - 05/07/2010 05:06:59 PM 824 Views
My thoughts re: Yunalesca - 04/07/2010 06:30:41 PM 779 Views
And since people love answering questions - 05/07/2010 12:33:42 AM 774 Views
Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 06:39:39 PM 829 Views
Re: Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 07:49:10 PM 798 Views

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