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Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense Isaac Send a noteboard - 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM
For the moment, I'm just going to assume she's town, and that she's telling us the truth on everything. Needless to say, I really doubt this, but let's try it and run through some options

She says she is not the vig, but attacked Napoleon, she also says she'd not a Heroic Do Gooder but is from Modern Earth and DC-verse.

Option #1 - Paranoid Gun Owner - Attacks anyone who targets them at night. Probelm here is that if Napoleon is a doc and targeted her, she would have attacked and killed him, but he isn't dead and he says he docced himself, not her.

Option #2 - Bomb - This person kills anyone who NKs them, but same logic, how could Napoleon defend himself if he targeted her?

Option #3 - Super Saint - Kills a hammer vote on them, he never voted for her let alone hammered her.

That's the 3 town killing role, Army veteran and PGO being identical, and she says she's not a vig. Now, she could have had a one-shot kill, but I don't see her expending that on night 1. We also have the elite bodyguard, who can kill or has a chance to kill, anyone who targets their ward. A paranoid version of this is possible, maybe a cross of the PGO and the EBG, attacking anyone who targets their ward, so that if a doc targeted X, and our paranoid guard targeted X, the paranoid guard attacks them. Again though, this breaks down if Napoleon is telling the truth, and targeted himself.

That's really it for town-based roles that can attack someone. I for one think something about this whole situation stinks, I'm sure we all do, but I suspect it makes sense too, as some sort of plot, and it's either really good or really bad but looked really good to whoever was behind it. Neither Napoleon or Yunalesca have spoken up recently, and that's pretty weird. Why hasn't Napoleon voted for Yunalesca? I mean, I could see him wanting to hold his vote for more info, but he hasn't even talked about it.

Weird options? I can think of plenty but most have huge gaping flaws in them... they may still have been done, plotting as a scummer is much harder than it might look like, plans go awry because the loophole in your plot turns out to be big enough to drive a truck through, see game 4 "Cor Amon claims mason" for an example, or Shaido half-doc, or Gher accuses cult ally, and so on. So it could be something really dumb. Even as a jester role, this is a very bad way to get yourself lynched. I can think of a dozen ways to get oneself lynched without ever raising the specter of the jester, sure wouldn't claim DC-comics with the joker coming to mind so easily either.

Pretty much no matter how you cut it though, Yuna is anti-town, and she's not answering questions, so waiting is a waste of time. Worst case scenario we kill off a town role who's acting really anti-town, most likely she's an anti-town or scum role though.
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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 2: Stayin' Alive - 26/06/2010 07:39:13 AM 1869 Views
Vote Table - 26/06/2010 07:40:39 AM 877 Views
Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 03:48:30 PM 862 Views
Re: Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 04:20:48 PM 836 Views
I was poisoned. - 26/06/2010 04:33:50 PM 901 Views
Yeah, that's interesting. - 26/06/2010 06:04:45 PM 842 Views
I as well was attacked - 26/06/2010 09:00:28 PM 936 Views
A beast? That's interesting - 26/06/2010 10:08:33 PM 857 Views
If we can identify it from a particular series, we might be able to nab the attacker. *NM* - 26/06/2010 10:14:45 PM 466 Views
Alright here is a repost of yesterday's info - 26/06/2010 10:22:58 PM 888 Views
Alright, Here comes some analysis out the wazoo. - 27/06/2010 06:35:59 PM 889 Views
I'll just say one thing - 28/06/2010 12:01:32 AM 788 Views
Well, I should pay attention. - 28/06/2010 04:48:18 AM 809 Views
Yes, it was a beast - 26/06/2010 11:19:13 PM 833 Views
Was it a werewolf? - 26/06/2010 11:30:27 PM 892 Views
No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:44:35 PM 891 Views
Re: No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:49:00 PM 891 Views
I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:02:39 AM 919 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:21:59 AM 798 Views
A few ideas - 27/06/2010 12:36:45 AM 855 Views
Re: A few ideas - 27/06/2010 01:06:11 AM 804 Views
Hmm, why is that? - 27/06/2010 02:23:31 AM 864 Views
That BP is usually town? - 27/06/2010 03:13:11 AM 795 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:12:32 AM 860 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:30:29 AM 730 Views
So, I guess Kronin/Blaine should provide their info now to the questions from yesterday - 26/06/2010 05:05:17 PM 798 Views
Alright, questions. - 26/06/2010 06:04:13 PM 879 Views
You forgot HDG *NM* - 26/06/2010 11:43:40 PM 460 Views
Which is.... *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:53:22 AM 499 Views
Heroic Do Gooder *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:56:21 AM 497 Views
Yes *NM* - 27/06/2010 03:01:59 PM 462 Views
Sorry guys, but life is suddenly way busy. - 26/06/2010 09:08:19 PM 793 Views
We'll miss you - 27/06/2010 03:06:27 PM 755 Views
Going back to yesterday - 26/06/2010 10:16:23 PM 817 Views
I am still in fact suspicious of Isaac - 26/06/2010 11:21:58 PM 840 Views
damn - 26/06/2010 11:33:59 PM 893 Views
Yeah, I think he should divulge. *NM* - 27/06/2010 04:11:13 AM 428 Views
EBWOP - Elaboration. - 27/06/2010 04:12:44 AM 881 Views
FINE. FINE. FINE - 27/06/2010 12:27:33 PM 834 Views
Whyyyyyyyyyy - 27/06/2010 05:34:05 PM 799 Views
This is pretty much what I expected... - 27/06/2010 08:29:43 PM 792 Views
I'm inclined to believe his claim - 27/06/2010 11:47:29 PM 877 Views
Since no one seems to have listened to my dying shouts. - 27/06/2010 01:03:10 AM 828 Views
I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 01:31:01 AM 871 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:08:58 AM 885 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:45:35 AM 800 Views
That's right! You're alive again! DUDE, I am so annoyed at you! - 27/06/2010 07:22:20 AM 778 Views
Short post, with elaboration to come later. - 27/06/2010 03:00:43 PM 828 Views
Okay, elaboration time. - 27/06/2010 06:19:49 PM 816 Views
Hmm, that is a pretty bold accusation - 27/06/2010 11:55:23 PM 766 Views
Re: Okay, elaboration time. - 28/06/2010 02:39:54 AM 756 Views
Now, what I want to know. - 28/06/2010 04:47:17 AM 771 Views
Your basically wildly speculating with an assumption of guilt - 28/06/2010 06:00:53 AM 760 Views
You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 05:46:59 PM 675 Views
Re: You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 06:39:05 PM 808 Views
Okay, fair enough. I guess onto other points for now. - 28/06/2010 07:28:02 PM 778 Views
Then let's return to Artsapat for now - 28/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 774 Views
So, where'd the night kill go? - 28/06/2010 10:01:00 PM 717 Views
That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 05:46:12 AM 802 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:16:58 AM 768 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:33:22 AM 811 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:57:08 AM 769 Views
Hypocop Table! - 27/06/2010 05:37:07 PM 814 Views
I found F-T to be Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 05:37:19 PM 464 Views
i found Amys to be Guilty *NM* - 27/06/2010 06:20:15 PM 494 Views
I found myself to be roleblocked, so... yeah. *NM* - 27/06/2010 08:31:37 PM 496 Views
F-T; Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 11:57:15 PM 429 Views
Beetnemesis innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:29:18 AM 378 Views
Isaac- innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:19:00 AM 449 Views
Napoleon - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:01 AM 417 Views
I found I was dead. *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:39 AM 429 Views
Are you saying you didn't get Blaine's role until dawn? *NM* - 28/06/2010 11:59:31 AM 455 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 01:28:38 PM 438 Views
Fox - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 07:44:54 PM 348 Views
Isaac is guilty... GUILTY I SAY!! Also; - 01/07/2010 05:53:17 PM 747 Views
Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 12:31:47 PM 841 Views
dawn/dusk - no *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:35:59 PM 431 Views
Re: Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 04:33:30 PM 773 Views
Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 04:41:26 PM 759 Views
Re: Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 05:26:45 PM 786 Views
I thought so, it's why I wanted to check with others *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:25:16 PM 496 Views
Well, first off, congratulations. - 28/06/2010 05:43:47 PM 756 Views
Congratulations! How wonderful - 28/06/2010 08:42:51 PM 771 Views
Congrats to you, and I shall also Vote Chair: Darth_Katie - 28/06/2010 10:15:32 PM 745 Views
Two things: - 28/06/2010 10:34:31 PM 814 Views
For what it's worth, there was a third fraction in that game though. - 28/06/2010 10:45:08 PM 811 Views
Oh, well according to him - 28/06/2010 10:55:05 PM 778 Views
Also - 28/06/2010 11:07:34 PM 700 Views
We could be dealing with just a Cult. - 28/06/2010 11:42:19 PM 782 Views
Yeah, but if we got lucky... game over on Day 1 *NM* - 29/06/2010 12:25:54 AM 449 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 12:33:03 PM 365 Views
Voting record. - 28/06/2010 10:03:33 PM 833 Views
Hey, isn't this Katie's job? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:18:10 PM 460 Views
Hey, volunteer yourself. - 28/06/2010 10:47:22 PM 724 Views
I'll probably spew one out again - 29/06/2010 05:49:54 AM 725 Views
you guys are so slow on the uptake you know *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:43:58 PM 483 Views
What? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:49:47 PM 429 Views
And you've only realized that now? - 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM 733 Views
read my posts carefully - 28/06/2010 11:01:45 PM 727 Views
... - 28/06/2010 11:49:07 PM 808 Views
Okay, let's do that - 29/06/2010 06:10:28 AM 798 Views
Don't suppose you checked her posts for spoilers, did you? - 29/06/2010 07:22:13 AM 785 Views
Yes, nothing - 29/06/2010 08:20:33 AM 844 Views
*laughs helplessly* - 01/07/2010 09:21:48 AM 851 Views
I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 07:31:32 AM 827 Views
Re: I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 04:27:18 PM 751 Views
i confessed to being the beast *NM* - 29/06/2010 04:36:40 PM 471 Views
Well, that... doesn't sound smart. - 29/06/2010 04:48:22 PM 840 Views
I mean, this is just an obvious way to get yourself lynched. - 29/06/2010 04:48:49 PM 818 Views
I'm guessing she got bored with the game and wants us to lynch her *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:26:22 PM 492 Views
Actually I'm betting on a Buffy claim right now *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:44:54 PM 471 Views
I say we don't lynch - 29/06/2010 07:11:50 PM 816 Views
We should probably just wait for her claim *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:18:13 PM 466 Views
Oh, come on - 29/06/2010 04:50:09 PM 749 Views
Yep, now is probably a good time to Role Claim. *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:01:01 PM 484 Views
I think a few people might have intially thought that - 29/06/2010 10:25:06 PM 810 Views
Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:54:17 AM 753 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:57:48 AM 850 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 01:23:06 AM 780 Views
Then please repeat it for me. - 30/06/2010 02:08:28 AM 726 Views
I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 02:49:57 AM 770 Views
Re: I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 03:46:22 AM 765 Views
Yes, that makes more sense. - 30/06/2010 04:14:50 AM 778 Views
That whole thing would have worked if Yuna didn't have psychopathic flavortext... - 30/06/2010 04:15:01 AM 724 Views
It still worked out pretty well, as I recall. - 30/06/2010 04:30:18 AM 715 Views
I've never heard of the rule and would actually think it anti-town for the vig not to kill - 30/06/2010 04:34:10 AM 736 Views
Because it isn't like a lynch at all. - 30/06/2010 06:30:04 AM 758 Views
There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:12:37 AM 763 Views
Re: There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:21:09 PM 785 Views
the quiet ones... - 01/07/2010 09:58:52 AM 788 Views
Some advice - 01/07/2010 12:40:13 PM 717 Views
You're probably right... - 01/07/2010 01:41:13 PM 752 Views
This has definitely been going slower than normal. Hopefully it will pick up soon. - 02/07/2010 08:57:26 PM 791 Views
Always a good thing. *NM* - 03/07/2010 04:38:34 AM 376 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 02/07/2010 08:21:48 AM 737 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 03/07/2010 04:39:26 AM 724 Views
Does this damn thing work yet? >.< *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:36:31 PM 470 Views
Yes? *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:40:11 PM 328 Views
So, Yuna. What's your game? - 30/06/2010 04:16:28 AM 788 Views
If she's a vig, I'll be slightly disappointed - 30/06/2010 04:37:10 AM 765 Views
*laughs* - 30/06/2010 10:30:38 AM 771 Views
I don't know what kind of game you're playing. - 30/06/2010 01:11:02 PM 780 Views
Darn, I had my finger crossed for Oz, Seth Green's werewolf character in Buffy - 30/06/2010 01:46:01 PM 791 Views
Let me just say this: If she is a Jester... - 30/06/2010 04:10:23 PM 735 Views
I agree - 30/06/2010 05:20:18 PM 726 Views
It seems win-win either way - 30/06/2010 06:29:41 PM 768 Views
Screw the Jesters. - 30/06/2010 07:22:59 PM 819 Views
It's a defense against getting lynched only if we don't have any other ways of getting rid of them - 30/06/2010 09:12:09 PM 812 Views
Too much room for error, plus it leaves it open for future claims - 30/06/2010 10:04:56 PM 809 Views
I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 04:10:05 AM 770 Views
Re: I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 05:43:01 AM 806 Views
Jester's are awful. They ruin the game. - 01/07/2010 06:26:39 AM 812 Views
That apostrophe is driving me insane *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:51:23 AM 439 Views
I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts . *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM 316 Views
I'll allow you to edit that one if you wish to. - 02/07/2010 04:00:05 AM 763 Views
Sigh... check the history of that post for part 2 of the comedy of errors *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:12:33 AM 413 Views
Hah! Awesome *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:14:33 AM 430 Views
*giggle* *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:43:25 AM 428 Views
unfortunatly im RBIRL - 01/07/2010 10:11:22 AM 723 Views
See? It's stuff like this - 01/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 703 Views
It's the Independence Day weekend in the US, too, so - 01/07/2010 04:55:44 PM 761 Views
EBWOP: and also Artsapat! - 01/07/2010 04:57:39 PM 762 Views
I'm still here. Unfortunately... - 02/07/2010 08:30:01 AM 668 Views
It's Canada Day today! - 01/07/2010 05:44:52 PM 756 Views
any excuse for a party! *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:12:30 PM 455 Views
Testing... (Table) - 01/07/2010 05:18:38 PM 912 Views
Huzzah! - 01/07/2010 05:20:04 PM 728 Views
Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:26:48 PM 758 Views
No, guess not. - 01/07/2010 05:27:58 PM 783 Views
Re: Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:34:20 PM 786 Views
Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 835 Views
Re: Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:42:37 PM 765 Views
hmm - 01/07/2010 05:28:35 PM 781 Views
Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 05:36:46 PM 778 Views
Re: Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 06:03:21 PM 905 Views
I am SO cheap. - 01/07/2010 06:42:15 PM 689 Views
I donated to the site - 02/07/2010 08:32:55 AM 742 Views
There, there. - 02/07/2010 08:39:06 PM 752 Views
This allows you to instantly defeat any moral Anakin. - 02/07/2010 09:16:13 PM 659 Views
Ah, OK - 01/07/2010 06:04:11 PM 765 Views
No luck with page anchors - 01/07/2010 06:23:44 PM 766 Views
And yeah, I will quit screwing around with it in the game - 01/07/2010 06:25:38 PM 795 Views
Darth_Katie has been elected Chair - 01/07/2010 06:07:37 PM 778 Views
Can I unvote if I want? - 01/07/2010 06:41:02 PM 691 Views
Yeah, it was advocate that couldn't undo and redo - 01/07/2010 06:44:43 PM 841 Views
So... why not just vote for Yuna and end the day? - 03/07/2010 05:56:18 AM 792 Views
I think we might've already? - 03/07/2010 06:38:55 AM 783 Views
I didn't miss them - 03/07/2010 08:14:15 AM 606 Views
You spelled her name wrong DK *NM* - 03/07/2010 11:53:02 AM 538 Views
I think you misspelled Yunalesca as Yunalesa - 03/07/2010 12:01:26 PM 842 Views
- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM 768 Views
Nah, I'm not that much of a stickler for spelling - 03/07/2010 05:35:16 PM 792 Views
.....? *NM* - 03/07/2010 05:50:14 PM 452 Views
Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 07:19:50 PM 753 Views
Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 09:20:15 PM 750 Views
Re: Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 10:37:10 PM 808 Views
Just thinking aloud. - 03/07/2010 11:11:27 PM 758 Views
Understandable, I don't think this was a day action though - 03/07/2010 11:40:00 PM 720 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:27:52 PM 737 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:37:08 PM 984 Views
Re: - 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM 742 Views
Maybe - 03/07/2010 07:19:55 PM 779 Views
Whatever happened happened between edits 5 and 6 on the vote table - 03/07/2010 07:28:33 PM 771 Views
That was actually a mistake my me - 03/07/2010 08:28:43 PM 781 Views
Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense - 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM 769 Views
She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:27:34 AM 835 Views
Re: She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:58:52 AM 680 Views
Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:04:41 AM 823 Views
Re: Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:09:16 AM 717 Views
Yea! *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:12:06 AM 315 Views
Wait, we're still L-1 - 04/07/2010 01:12:55 AM 731 Views
That might do it - 04/07/2010 01:12:45 AM 784 Views
Anybody else maybe just want to vote to get this definitely over with? *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:33:44 AM 461 Views
I definitely don't want to vote her - 04/07/2010 04:10:07 AM 726 Views
Agreed... - 04/07/2010 05:30:31 AM 738 Views
Explain that - 04/07/2010 02:38:01 PM 812 Views
*cackles wickedly* - 06/07/2010 04:24:01 AM 745 Views
Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 02:31:38 AM 737 Views
Re: Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 03:34:55 AM 756 Views
Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:39:43 AM 798 Views
Exactly *NM* - 04/07/2010 03:46:00 AM 547 Views
Re: Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:57:19 AM 762 Views
It means we waste a lynch though. - 04/07/2010 04:11:50 AM 779 Views
You seem to be assuming that if she's a jester the DFs will kill her - 04/07/2010 04:20:13 AM 719 Views
I'm not assuming that - 04/07/2010 04:40:06 PM 804 Views
Ohhhhh I think I figured out what happened to me. - 04/07/2010 05:28:32 AM 815 Views
If it's a vote steal, rather than a block... - 04/07/2010 05:55:49 AM 710 Views
I think a steal makes more sense with the money transaction. - 04/07/2010 06:09:50 AM 720 Views
Don't know if that would work... - 04/07/2010 06:24:17 AM 754 Views
We could try, at least. - 04/07/2010 03:22:17 PM 754 Views
Oh sure, I agree. - 04/07/2010 06:04:20 PM 709 Views
It's Artsapat, has to be - 04/07/2010 02:32:16 PM 773 Views
I don't know anything about the Million Dollar Man - 04/07/2010 03:28:19 PM 744 Views
In one of my previous mafia games, I was a vote thief - 04/07/2010 04:50:18 PM 774 Views
That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:07:49 PM 757 Views
Re: That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:16:34 PM 762 Views
- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM 771 Views
Actually - 05/07/2010 03:46:42 PM 770 Views
I'm fairly content with that logic - 05/07/2010 04:37:41 PM 771 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 595 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 701 Views
EBWOP: Something is wrong with my mouse *NM* - 05/07/2010 04:43:03 PM 450 Views
Yeah, that sounds pretty legit. - 05/07/2010 04:54:34 PM 796 Views
Kinda overlooked the RB comment, also, you need to unvote - 05/07/2010 05:06:59 PM 821 Views
My thoughts re: Yunalesca - 04/07/2010 06:30:41 PM 778 Views
And since people love answering questions - 05/07/2010 12:33:42 AM 772 Views
Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 06:39:39 PM 827 Views
Re: Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 07:49:10 PM 798 Views

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