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I think I have a plan Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/09/2010 06:33:29 AM
I don't like just lynching low posters for being low posters. Though, we do have two lynches so we can do that. Other than that, no one really stands out to me. Isaac does look pro-town to me, though thats about it. I can't say anything about Yuna, and can't really see the case for why she's prob town. (Though I think I did skim over those posts anyway)


The case for Yuna's pretty simple, though I have to be a bit vague on my information dispersal for self-protection, which I no longer think is as important with the free night, but we'll get to that in a bit.

I can say with near absolute certainty that she did not kill DK, and that creates two formulas, one for each scenario, 2 scummers and 3 scummers.

If we have 2 scummers, then one of them did the kill and the other did not. There are ten of us, though really 9 since we all know our own alignment and whether we did it.

If two scummers, the odds any individual players is a ninja is 2/9, and the odds a given person did the deed are 1/9. 50% of the odds of them being scum, if Yuna's a scummer, but didn't kill DK, she would only be 1/9, whereas anyone else is 2/9. For 3 scummers, it shifts to 3/9 and 2/9 for her, either way, she is less likely to be a scummer, she could still be one, it is simply less probable than random, that is sufficient at this time for me to strike her off my list of lynch candidates as a poor choice, but not to view her as def-town. Now, from the perspective of an y townie but me, this actually shifts, accepting me at my word on this and taking me for town, and knowing one's self to be town, changes other's odds for ninja-dom to 2/8 or 3/8, and her values to 1 in 8 or 2/8 respectively, there's other components I'll discuss should we mass claim that I feel work in her favor as well, but as said, she still deserves suspicion but should be assumed to be less likely to be scum than the average person. All this, again, is based off knowing she didn't kill DK, and knowing (presumably) that a scummer did, it proves nothing, merely tips the odds.

Now, in my opinion, though I don't expect to get the necessary support for this, our best move at this time is a structured massclaim. Were everyone to agree - or enough to force compliance - I would suggest we have everyone code their role into a message, then we claim openly and show where we coded. The coding aspect is tricky, and I have some suggestions and advice on how people can do this so as to limit the chance of it being cracked while showing it wasn't back-coded (decryption made up backwards to fit the newly desired role) while there may be some leaking from this, for practical purposes it would amount to the same effect as a mass simultaneous claim, and we'd have two shots to find our culprits off that before we'd be at risk of NK, with good odds of interference or protective roles stopping those attacks, since they'd only have 7 people to pick from and should have good odds of decreasing that through educated guesses from the mass claim and what follows.

I don't think people will accept this proposal, but let me point out before we discuss or reject it, that we often claim in mass on Day 3, rarely later than day 4, and for our purposes, the threat from massclaim today is identical to a day 3 mass claim. If we plan to massclaim on day 3, doing so today is of equal threat. More, it is quite probable that the ninjas haven't spent much time discussing fake RCs yet, day 2 rarely involves revealing so little need and you have to adapt as you see the roles come out. I think this can work, and if nothing else, it is a more appealing option than what we all know we will otherwise do, kill off low posters or BA voters or those who meet both criteria - those factors will likely still come into play, but it will leave room for much more meaningful discussion.

It goes without saying nobody should RC yet, we want everyone to reveal in such a fashion that they do not know anyone else's claim when they list theirs, then then need only state their role and show where they proclaimed it when everyone is done, even if some people slip up, we'll be no worse off then if they simply claimed normally, but a total success would equal a simultaneous claim and a partial - even assuming the ninjas take the time to try to decode, would be better than a normal claim. I will now claim, in such as way no one can doubt the claim I make is influenced by later claims, as an example

IPUFODTUDKQRWTRIONEFOR

Contained in that is my coded role message and sufficient data that on explanation it will be clear I was specifically claiming this particular thing, good luck anyone trying to crack that, it definitely isn't a piece of cake.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
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RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas - 15/09/2010 05:39:03 AM 1947 Views
ARRRRRRR *NM* - 15/09/2010 06:44:52 AM 676 Views
Omg. This reply cracked me up so bad. - 15/09/2010 12:34:38 PM 1087 Views
Arrrgggh - 15/09/2010 12:50:18 PM 1047 Views
Re: Arrrgggh - 15/09/2010 01:29:15 PM 1129 Views
plus... - 15/09/2010 01:50:44 PM 1051 Views
The grave is no bar to my call!! - 15/09/2010 06:15:53 PM 1092 Views
*giggle* *NM* - 17/09/2010 03:42:33 PM 608 Views
Voting Record - 18/09/2010 05:41:39 AM 1009 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:27:41 PM 658 Views
oops, meant to post that to the main topic. *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:31:09 PM 698 Views
they what the what??? - 15/09/2010 08:07:08 AM 1018 Views
Moving along - 15/09/2010 02:47:27 PM 1295 Views
knife hand? *confused* *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:25:01 PM 573 Views
You like being the one to kill people. *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:48:56 PM 655 Views
oh *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:59:03 PM 630 Views
Yes - 16/09/2010 12:47:50 AM 1016 Views
Re: Yes - 16/09/2010 01:10:51 AM 1112 Views
Re: Yes - 16/09/2010 01:49:18 AM 1159 Views
Re: RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas - 15/09/2010 04:06:10 PM 1084 Views
Re: RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas - 15/09/2010 06:23:19 PM 1198 Views
Sorry bout Yesterday. - 15/09/2010 07:56:22 PM 966 Views
Eh, hindsight is 20/20, but I think we overreacted *NM* - 15/09/2010 09:03:27 PM 666 Views
Haha. Apparantly so...still. I didn't like what he said. *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:19:35 PM 652 Views
You're just annoyed that I voted for you! - 17/09/2010 04:06:11 PM 1028 Views
my current suspects - 15/09/2010 09:52:52 PM 1254 Views
How is that a tactic? *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:21:04 PM 610 Views
It's a great tactic - 16/09/2010 04:41:38 AM 1063 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 16/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 617 Views
Definitely. White Flame has been almost nonexistent. - 15/09/2010 11:23:21 PM 1063 Views
yeah, its pretty odd. - 16/09/2010 12:42:01 AM 1016 Views
Re: my current suspects - 16/09/2010 03:31:41 AM 1145 Views
Expanding the list - 16/09/2010 05:37:24 AM 1088 Views
Sorry All - 16/09/2010 10:27:08 PM 1027 Views
19? damn - 17/09/2010 03:00:14 AM 1223 Views
Re: 19? damn - 17/09/2010 03:40:03 AM 1067 Views
Really sorry about the lack of contributions - 18/09/2010 01:02:13 AM 1136 Views
RBIRL - 17/09/2010 11:38:33 PM 1095 Views
Day 2 EVENT: In High Spirits - 18/09/2010 04:53:47 AM 1152 Views
I think 'Aye' is probably the best choice, Vote: Aye - 18/09/2010 05:24:24 AM 953 Views
I can - 18/09/2010 05:35:29 AM 1064 Views
There's no REAL downside though... - 18/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 1119 Views
Re: There's no REAL downside though... - 19/09/2010 01:22:48 PM 1022 Views
Nay - 18/09/2010 05:25:57 AM 1098 Views
Can we get an actual reason please? *NM* - 18/09/2010 05:32:35 AM 644 Views
I just posted it in response to Isaac *NM* - 18/09/2010 05:36:03 AM 595 Views
Aye *NM* - 18/09/2010 07:51:22 AM 619 Views
Aye *NM* - 18/09/2010 12:09:39 PM 673 Views
I'm going to go with Vote: Aye - 18/09/2010 02:43:26 PM 1050 Views
I'm gonna go with Aye - 18/09/2010 04:16:42 PM 1082 Views
Vote: Aye! - 18/09/2010 06:18:47 PM 1090 Views
Any debate? Anyone in favor of Nay? - 18/09/2010 07:53:56 AM 1099 Views
The vote has already reached a majority, by the way. - 18/09/2010 08:47:56 PM 1021 Views
I'm not for Nay - 21/09/2010 01:25:41 AM 1007 Views
Oh well too late - 21/09/2010 01:27:36 AM 1005 Views
Talk Like a Pirate Day be tomorrow. Arrrr. *NM* - 18/09/2010 08:37:09 PM 581 Views
We need to come up with a plan - 19/09/2010 05:59:26 AM 1068 Views
Well, here's who voted for BA: - 19/09/2010 08:04:26 AM 1045 Views
? is the logical target - 19/09/2010 08:56:53 AM 1017 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 19/09/2010 02:33:53 PM 1104 Views
He is, but I think... - 19/09/2010 03:24:34 PM 1054 Views
So what do we do until then? - 19/09/2010 11:32:45 PM 1060 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 20/09/2010 02:10:49 AM 1074 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 20/09/2010 03:14:22 AM 1023 Views
Who are your candidates for lynch? - 20/09/2010 03:58:04 AM 1054 Views
I don't have any. Especially after my fail of a push for BA - 20/09/2010 04:35:23 AM 1026 Views
I think I have a plan - 20/09/2010 06:33:29 AM 1176 Views
...erm... - 20/09/2010 07:37:16 AM 1166 Views
Crypto tricks - 20/09/2010 10:13:23 AM 1116 Views
Also, there's a good chance we ALREADY lynched the cop - 20/09/2010 03:53:49 PM 971 Views
I did notice that... - 21/09/2010 07:50:20 AM 1004 Views
I like this idea - 20/09/2010 07:59:31 AM 1032 Views
one more thing - 20/09/2010 05:29:00 PM 951 Views
OK, cool! - 20/09/2010 04:17:50 PM 1031 Views
intresting idea. - 20/09/2010 04:50:06 PM 1073 Views
Alright, I can get behind this. - 20/09/2010 06:14:03 PM 938 Views
*confusion* *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:32:41 AM 581 Views
Basically, he's suggesting a mass roleclaim - 21/09/2010 06:05:34 AM 995 Views
Okay so I got my code... - 21/09/2010 08:46:16 AM 1072 Views
Ok...here goes nothing... - 21/09/2010 08:55:57 PM 896 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 21/09/2010 12:34:10 AM 1017 Views
Low posting is anti-town - 20/09/2010 03:42:19 AM 1116 Views
Re: Low posting is anti-town - 21/09/2010 01:29:21 AM 911 Views
hmm.. - 19/09/2010 01:18:41 PM 1065 Views
Some thoughts... - 19/09/2010 01:21:56 PM 949 Views
this is the first time its happened while i've been playing atleast - 19/09/2010 04:52:13 PM 1005 Views
guess so. *NM* - 20/09/2010 05:55:38 AM 624 Views
It's new, but it's hard to see the downside - 19/09/2010 11:48:35 PM 1037 Views
Re: It's new, but it's hard to see the downside - 20/09/2010 05:57:12 AM 1091 Views
It looks like we're proceeding with the plan so a few reminders - 20/09/2010 06:35:21 PM 1139 Views
Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 20/09/2010 06:41:22 PM 1052 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 20/09/2010 07:13:22 PM 1076 Views
Lesse, I think I got a minute here. - 20/09/2010 07:56:48 PM 1040 Views
EBWOP: Lessee, redo, class. *NM* - 20/09/2010 07:57:09 PM 608 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 21/09/2010 12:04:49 AM 988 Views
So if I'm understanding this properly... - 21/09/2010 01:38:34 AM 1003 Views
That is correct. *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:44:37 AM 625 Views
Re: That is correct. - 21/09/2010 02:16:30 AM 1094 Views
Same here *NM* - 21/09/2010 03:34:00 AM 594 Views
im still not clear on the key thing. - 21/09/2010 04:38:53 PM 1033 Views
Okay - 21/09/2010 05:28:23 PM 1048 Views
It's mostly so someone can't be super-sneaky - 21/09/2010 07:02:55 PM 1006 Views
Re: Okay - 21/09/2010 07:43:39 PM 989 Views
You wanted to hint at it, not say it..... *NM* - 21/09/2010 07:46:10 PM 595 Views
horsefeathers - 21/09/2010 07:55:44 PM 988 Views
It's alright. So long as no one actually tries to decode it. :/ *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:00:17 PM 625 Views
when does that happen again? tomorrow? *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:03:24 PM 579 Views
As soon as our laggers post *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:07:23 PM 619 Views
I'm glad I'm dead so I don't have to bother with this. *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:28:46 PM 555 Views
Ghost pirate!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! - 21/09/2010 11:48:56 PM 1003 Views
I think the only thing a pirate fears ... - 22/09/2010 12:45:38 AM 925 Views
It's easy if you're not British *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:59:06 PM 614 Views
but it's fuuuuuun!!!! *NM* - 22/09/2010 08:23:03 AM 692 Views
on a completely different topic... - 21/09/2010 08:58:35 AM 1154 Views
List of Codes and Roleclaims (Table) - 21/09/2010 11:25:37 AM 1167 Views
So I shouldn't code my Role now? *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:45:10 PM 544 Views
Of course you should, why wouldn't you? *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:57:53 PM 659 Views
The very last person need not code, everyone else needs to - 21/09/2010 02:01:13 PM 965 Views
Oh, I misunderstood. Ok. - 21/09/2010 03:10:33 PM 1040 Views
Changed-look down - 21/09/2010 10:53:21 PM 1012 Views
A couple Questions - 21/09/2010 08:53:29 PM 996 Views
Re: A couple Questions - 21/09/2010 08:57:59 PM 1036 Views
Re: A couple Questions - 22/09/2010 02:43:21 AM 1001 Views
On this whole decryption thing though... - 21/09/2010 10:28:57 PM 1129 Views
Well.... - 21/09/2010 11:05:57 PM 1060 Views
Re: Well.... - 22/09/2010 08:30:27 AM 1229 Views
Re: Well.... - 22/09/2010 02:19:46 PM 1063 Views
Any idea when we are gonna start decrypting? - 22/09/2010 01:44:39 AM 996 Views
I think it's ASAP - 22/09/2010 04:07:57 AM 1056 Views
Hmm ok. - 22/09/2010 11:30:55 AM 1000 Views
We could do it today no? - 22/09/2010 10:57:34 PM 1011 Views
Hold on I'm changing my code. - 22/09/2010 01:51:01 AM 995 Views
Wait why does it say and between my codes? - 22/09/2010 11:00:51 PM 1050 Views
Its just a link to both - 22/09/2010 11:09:17 PM 989 Views
Re: Its just a link to both - 22/09/2010 11:24:07 PM 1051 Views
For the record, I will decode both, if requested. - 23/09/2010 04:49:15 AM 1030 Views
My previous roleclaim code should be sufficient - 22/09/2010 11:30:12 PM 1031 Views
what now? - 22/09/2010 09:27:09 PM 959 Views
Napoleon needs to roleclaim now - 22/09/2010 09:51:56 PM 1075 Views
Are you talking about your "ninja shortlist?" - 22/09/2010 11:07:18 PM 1033 Views
Arg... REALLY sorry people. - 23/09/2010 08:16:00 PM 1062 Views
You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game - 23/09/2010 09:14:46 PM 1111 Views
Why is that so suspicious? - 23/09/2010 10:02:23 PM 1052 Views
It's suspicious because it's not true - 23/09/2010 10:17:43 PM 1097 Views
PS: ^This is my decryption. *NM* - 24/09/2010 05:11:09 AM 582 Views
Re: You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game - 23/09/2010 10:27:31 PM 1096 Views
Hmmm... - 23/09/2010 11:11:21 PM 1056 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 24/09/2010 03:44:02 AM 1041 Views
"I'm roled by not a standard town role" - 24/09/2010 05:09:27 AM 1065 Views
Re: "I'm roled by not a standard town role" - 24/09/2010 05:41:11 AM 1063 Views
I believe I already mentioned that *NM* - 24/09/2010 08:37:01 AM 578 Views
I've been playing this game since the wotmania days - 24/09/2010 02:36:21 AM 1311 Views
To our non-participating friends: - 23/09/2010 05:28:39 AM 1048 Views
Everyone can start decrypting now - 23/09/2010 09:01:24 PM 1028 Views
Re: Everyone can start decrypting now - 23/09/2010 10:33:08 PM 1042 Views
Ok, I'll go ahead and do mine too - 23/09/2010 11:16:29 PM 1120 Views
Wow that's good. - 24/09/2010 12:14:48 AM 984 Views
I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine - 24/09/2010 12:45:09 AM 1110 Views
Re: I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine - 24/09/2010 02:44:11 AM 1051 Views
eh, what the heck - 24/09/2010 03:04:29 AM 974 Views
Re: eh, what the heck - 24/09/2010 03:47:31 AM 859 Views
Just out of curiosity, why do you say townie? RB could just as easily be scum, if not more so. *NM* - 24/09/2010 05:13:51 AM 486 Views
other factors make me think otherwise - 24/09/2010 06:07:31 AM 922 Views
A good bit of analysis - 24/09/2010 09:42:59 AM 1576 Views
Re: A good bit of analysis - 24/09/2010 02:34:02 PM 989 Views
right, mine - 24/09/2010 10:37:45 AM 1097 Views
Re: right, mine - 24/09/2010 10:43:26 AM 1025 Views
EPWOP - 24/09/2010 10:55:42 AM 1035 Views
Re: EPWOP - 24/09/2010 12:47:47 PM 1085 Views
Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:14:31 PM 1047 Views
Re: Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:22:42 PM 1090 Views
Re: Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:30:47 PM 1019 Views
fair enough - 24/09/2010 01:58:27 PM 1028 Views
Decryption - 25/09/2010 08:00:57 AM 1257 Views
All right - 25/09/2010 02:02:29 PM 953 Views
Re: All right - 25/09/2010 03:06:00 PM 1190 Views
Re: All right - 25/09/2010 03:35:23 PM 915 Views
I was lazy... I used the INTERNET - 24/09/2010 06:04:26 AM 927 Views
Re: I was lazy... I used the INTERNET - 24/09/2010 02:29:29 PM 1006 Views
That is potentially a huge power - 24/09/2010 02:55:05 PM 1106 Views
Re: That is potentially a huge power - 24/09/2010 03:33:43 PM 1063 Views
Role Claim and Action (Table) - All claims in - 24/09/2010 01:32:53 PM 1065 Views
While we're waiting on White Flame - 25/09/2010 08:59:09 PM 1126 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame - 25/09/2010 10:47:47 PM 991 Views
EBWOP - 25/09/2010 10:48:31 PM 1005 Views
It's probably also worth noting - 25/09/2010 11:17:19 PM 1044 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting - 26/09/2010 12:39:13 AM 1065 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting - 26/09/2010 01:10:17 AM 998 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame - 26/09/2010 02:47:14 AM 1066 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 03:15:38 AM 1106 Views
Eh. The RC's always mess me up - 26/09/2010 03:43:54 AM 972 Views
Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:00:52 AM 998 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:33:40 AM 1068 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:50:08 AM 1021 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 05:58:11 AM 997 Views
not to mention... - 26/09/2010 04:55:30 AM 1054 Views
Re: not to mention... - 26/09/2010 05:03:35 AM 1054 Views
Re: not to mention... - 26/09/2010 03:50:09 PM 1259 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 02:31:43 PM 622 Views
And what's your reason for this? - 26/09/2010 05:50:11 PM 1055 Views
When I saw this... - 26/09/2010 10:07:08 PM 974 Views
I'll second this motion. Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 07:13:54 PM 640 Views
Somebody want to hammer? - 26/09/2010 09:02:17 PM 1062 Views
Unless somebody vote blocked me or something - 26/09/2010 09:06:13 PM 1140 Views
nobody admitted to that role, right? - 26/09/2010 09:26:30 PM 1091 Views
Oh yeah, missed that. Sorry. *NM* - 26/09/2010 10:19:22 PM 604 Views
<b>Vote: Fox and Ravens</b> - 26/09/2010 09:11:27 PM 997 Views
EBWOP...aww crap. Oh well. *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:11:52 PM 584 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:30:28 PM 652 Views
Fox and Ravens has been lynched. - 26/09/2010 10:42:10 PM 1062 Views

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