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...erm... Kylia Skydancer Send a noteboard - 20/09/2010 07:37:16 AM
I don't like just lynching low posters for being low posters. Though, we do have two lynches so we can do that. Other than that, no one really stands out to me. Isaac does look pro-town to me, though thats about it. I can't say anything about Yuna, and can't really see the case for why she's prob town. (Though I think I did skim over those posts anyway)


The case for Yuna's pretty simple, though I have to be a bit vague on my information dispersal for self-protection, which I no longer think is as important with the free night, but we'll get to that in a bit.

I can say with near absolute certainty that she did not kill DK, and that creates two formulas, one for each scenario, 2 scummers and 3 scummers.

If we have 2 scummers, then one of them did the kill and the other did not. There are ten of us, though really 9 since we all know our own alignment and whether we did it.

If two scummers, the odds any individual players is a ninja is 2/9, and the odds a given person did the deed are 1/9. 50% of the odds of them being scum, if Yuna's a scummer, but didn't kill DK, she would only be 1/9, whereas anyone else is 2/9. For 3 scummers, it shifts to 3/9 and 2/9 for her, either way, she is less likely to be a scummer, she could still be one, it is simply less probable than random, that is sufficient at this time for me to strike her off my list of lynch candidates as a poor choice, but not to view her as def-town. Now, from the perspective of an y townie but me, this actually shifts, accepting me at my word on this and taking me for town, and knowing one's self to be town, changes other's odds for ninja-dom to 2/8 or 3/8, and her values to 1 in 8 or 2/8 respectively, there's other components I'll discuss should we mass claim that I feel work in her favor as well, but as said, she still deserves suspicion but should be assumed to be less likely to be scum than the average person. All this, again, is based off knowing she didn't kill DK, and knowing (presumably) that a scummer did, it proves nothing, merely tips the odds.

Now, in my opinion, though I don't expect to get the necessary support for this, our best move at this time is a structured massclaim. Were everyone to agree - or enough to force compliance - I would suggest we have everyone code their role into a message, then we claim openly and show where we coded. The coding aspect is tricky, and I have some suggestions and advice on how people can do this so as to limit the chance of it being cracked while showing it wasn't back-coded (decryption made up backwards to fit the newly desired role) while there may be some leaking from this, for practical purposes it would amount to the same effect as a mass simultaneous claim, and we'd have two shots to find our culprits off that before we'd be at risk of NK, with good odds of interference or protective roles stopping those attacks, since they'd only have 7 people to pick from and should have good odds of decreasing that through educated guesses from the mass claim and what follows.

I don't think people will accept this proposal, but let me point out before we discuss or reject it, that we often claim in mass on Day 3, rarely later than day 4, and for our purposes, the threat from massclaim today is identical to a day 3 mass claim. If we plan to massclaim on day 3, doing so today is of equal threat. More, it is quite probable that the ninjas haven't spent much time discussing fake RCs yet, day 2 rarely involves revealing so little need and you have to adapt as you see the roles come out. I think this can work, and if nothing else, it is a more appealing option than what we all know we will otherwise do, kill off low posters or BA voters or those who meet both criteria - those factors will likely still come into play, but it will leave room for much more meaningful discussion.

It goes without saying nobody should RC yet, we want everyone to reveal in such a fashion that they do not know anyone else's claim when they list theirs, then then need only state their role and show where they proclaimed it when everyone is done, even if some people slip up, we'll be no worse off then if they simply claimed normally, but a total success would equal a simultaneous claim and a partial - even assuming the ninjas take the time to try to decode, would be better than a normal claim. I will now claim, in such as way no one can doubt the claim I make is influenced by later claims, as an example

IPUFODTUDKQRWTRIONEFOR

Contained in that is my coded role message and sufficient data that on explanation it will be clear I was specifically claiming this particular thing, good luck anyone trying to crack that, it definitely isn't a piece of cake.



Okay, I am slightly won over by this idea...not enough to endorse it and participate yet...but enough to want to know more details.

For one, I think we definitely need those suggestions and advice you mentioned because I very honestly have no clue how I would even start.

I think I also need to hear more opinions on this.

but I like that it's a new idea that the scum won't be able to have a prediscussed offense against, especially if we can get it done before the next night phase.
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RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas - 15/09/2010 05:39:03 AM 2072 Views
ARRRRRRR *NM* - 15/09/2010 06:44:52 AM 749 Views
Omg. This reply cracked me up so bad. - 15/09/2010 12:34:38 PM 1219 Views
Arrrgggh - 15/09/2010 12:50:18 PM 1182 Views
Re: Arrrgggh - 15/09/2010 01:29:15 PM 1255 Views
plus... - 15/09/2010 01:50:44 PM 1179 Views
The grave is no bar to my call!! - 15/09/2010 06:15:53 PM 1217 Views
*giggle* *NM* - 17/09/2010 03:42:33 PM 676 Views
Voting Record - 18/09/2010 05:41:39 AM 1140 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:27:41 PM 739 Views
oops, meant to post that to the main topic. *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:31:09 PM 766 Views
they what the what??? - 15/09/2010 08:07:08 AM 1140 Views
Moving along - 15/09/2010 02:47:27 PM 1412 Views
knife hand? *confused* *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:25:01 PM 650 Views
You like being the one to kill people. *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:48:56 PM 733 Views
oh *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:59:03 PM 697 Views
Yes - 16/09/2010 12:47:50 AM 1121 Views
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Re: Yes - 16/09/2010 01:49:18 AM 1275 Views
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Sorry bout Yesterday. - 15/09/2010 07:56:22 PM 1083 Views
Eh, hindsight is 20/20, but I think we overreacted *NM* - 15/09/2010 09:03:27 PM 727 Views
Haha. Apparantly so...still. I didn't like what he said. *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:19:35 PM 708 Views
You're just annoyed that I voted for you! - 17/09/2010 04:06:11 PM 1147 Views
my current suspects - 15/09/2010 09:52:52 PM 1374 Views
How is that a tactic? *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:21:04 PM 680 Views
It's a great tactic - 16/09/2010 04:41:38 AM 1191 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 16/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 674 Views
Definitely. White Flame has been almost nonexistent. - 15/09/2010 11:23:21 PM 1180 Views
yeah, its pretty odd. - 16/09/2010 12:42:01 AM 1142 Views
Re: my current suspects - 16/09/2010 03:31:41 AM 1287 Views
Expanding the list - 16/09/2010 05:37:24 AM 1212 Views
Sorry All - 16/09/2010 10:27:08 PM 1149 Views
19? damn - 17/09/2010 03:00:14 AM 1343 Views
Re: 19? damn - 17/09/2010 03:40:03 AM 1179 Views
Really sorry about the lack of contributions - 18/09/2010 01:02:13 AM 1261 Views
RBIRL - 17/09/2010 11:38:33 PM 1214 Views
Day 2 EVENT: In High Spirits - 18/09/2010 04:53:47 AM 1280 Views
I think 'Aye' is probably the best choice, Vote: Aye - 18/09/2010 05:24:24 AM 1054 Views
I can - 18/09/2010 05:35:29 AM 1205 Views
There's no REAL downside though... - 18/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 1245 Views
Re: There's no REAL downside though... - 19/09/2010 01:22:48 PM 1136 Views
Nay - 18/09/2010 05:25:57 AM 1240 Views
Can we get an actual reason please? *NM* - 18/09/2010 05:32:35 AM 711 Views
I just posted it in response to Isaac *NM* - 18/09/2010 05:36:03 AM 663 Views
Aye *NM* - 18/09/2010 07:51:22 AM 686 Views
Aye *NM* - 18/09/2010 12:09:39 PM 746 Views
I'm going to go with Vote: Aye - 18/09/2010 02:43:26 PM 1177 Views
I'm gonna go with Aye - 18/09/2010 04:16:42 PM 1211 Views
Vote: Aye! - 18/09/2010 06:18:47 PM 1221 Views
Any debate? Anyone in favor of Nay? - 18/09/2010 07:53:56 AM 1224 Views
The vote has already reached a majority, by the way. - 18/09/2010 08:47:56 PM 1134 Views
I'm not for Nay - 21/09/2010 01:25:41 AM 1138 Views
Oh well too late - 21/09/2010 01:27:36 AM 1111 Views
Talk Like a Pirate Day be tomorrow. Arrrr. *NM* - 18/09/2010 08:37:09 PM 651 Views
We need to come up with a plan - 19/09/2010 05:59:26 AM 1195 Views
Well, here's who voted for BA: - 19/09/2010 08:04:26 AM 1163 Views
? is the logical target - 19/09/2010 08:56:53 AM 1126 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 19/09/2010 02:33:53 PM 1219 Views
He is, but I think... - 19/09/2010 03:24:34 PM 1168 Views
So what do we do until then? - 19/09/2010 11:32:45 PM 1184 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 20/09/2010 02:10:49 AM 1191 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 20/09/2010 03:14:22 AM 1141 Views
Who are your candidates for lynch? - 20/09/2010 03:58:04 AM 1175 Views
I don't have any. Especially after my fail of a push for BA - 20/09/2010 04:35:23 AM 1145 Views
I think I have a plan - 20/09/2010 06:33:29 AM 1316 Views
...erm... - 20/09/2010 07:37:16 AM 1290 Views
Crypto tricks - 20/09/2010 10:13:23 AM 1249 Views
Also, there's a good chance we ALREADY lynched the cop - 20/09/2010 03:53:49 PM 1089 Views
I did notice that... - 21/09/2010 07:50:20 AM 1124 Views
I like this idea - 20/09/2010 07:59:31 AM 1144 Views
one more thing - 20/09/2010 05:29:00 PM 1068 Views
OK, cool! - 20/09/2010 04:17:50 PM 1151 Views
intresting idea. - 20/09/2010 04:50:06 PM 1195 Views
Alright, I can get behind this. - 20/09/2010 06:14:03 PM 1061 Views
*confusion* *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:32:41 AM 658 Views
Basically, he's suggesting a mass roleclaim - 21/09/2010 06:05:34 AM 1117 Views
Okay so I got my code... - 21/09/2010 08:46:16 AM 1210 Views
Ok...here goes nothing... - 21/09/2010 08:55:57 PM 1024 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 21/09/2010 12:34:10 AM 1144 Views
Low posting is anti-town - 20/09/2010 03:42:19 AM 1235 Views
Re: Low posting is anti-town - 21/09/2010 01:29:21 AM 1028 Views
hmm.. - 19/09/2010 01:18:41 PM 1183 Views
Some thoughts... - 19/09/2010 01:21:56 PM 1058 Views
this is the first time its happened while i've been playing atleast - 19/09/2010 04:52:13 PM 1136 Views
guess so. *NM* - 20/09/2010 05:55:38 AM 693 Views
It's new, but it's hard to see the downside - 19/09/2010 11:48:35 PM 1150 Views
Re: It's new, but it's hard to see the downside - 20/09/2010 05:57:12 AM 1244 Views
It looks like we're proceeding with the plan so a few reminders - 20/09/2010 06:35:21 PM 1273 Views
Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 20/09/2010 06:41:22 PM 1175 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 20/09/2010 07:13:22 PM 1201 Views
Lesse, I think I got a minute here. - 20/09/2010 07:56:48 PM 1170 Views
EBWOP: Lessee, redo, class. *NM* - 20/09/2010 07:57:09 PM 676 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 21/09/2010 12:04:49 AM 1111 Views
So if I'm understanding this properly... - 21/09/2010 01:38:34 AM 1110 Views
That is correct. *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:44:37 AM 694 Views
Re: That is correct. - 21/09/2010 02:16:30 AM 1222 Views
Same here *NM* - 21/09/2010 03:34:00 AM 660 Views
im still not clear on the key thing. - 21/09/2010 04:38:53 PM 1150 Views
Okay - 21/09/2010 05:28:23 PM 1178 Views
It's mostly so someone can't be super-sneaky - 21/09/2010 07:02:55 PM 1131 Views
Re: Okay - 21/09/2010 07:43:39 PM 1126 Views
You wanted to hint at it, not say it..... *NM* - 21/09/2010 07:46:10 PM 660 Views
horsefeathers - 21/09/2010 07:55:44 PM 1106 Views
It's alright. So long as no one actually tries to decode it. :/ *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:00:17 PM 700 Views
when does that happen again? tomorrow? *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:03:24 PM 638 Views
As soon as our laggers post *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:07:23 PM 691 Views
I'm glad I'm dead so I don't have to bother with this. *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:28:46 PM 624 Views
Ghost pirate!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! - 21/09/2010 11:48:56 PM 1126 Views
I think the only thing a pirate fears ... - 22/09/2010 12:45:38 AM 1045 Views
It's easy if you're not British *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:59:06 PM 680 Views
but it's fuuuuuun!!!! *NM* - 22/09/2010 08:23:03 AM 763 Views
on a completely different topic... - 21/09/2010 08:58:35 AM 1298 Views
List of Codes and Roleclaims (Table) - 21/09/2010 11:25:37 AM 1318 Views
So I shouldn't code my Role now? *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:45:10 PM 616 Views
Of course you should, why wouldn't you? *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:57:53 PM 730 Views
The very last person need not code, everyone else needs to - 21/09/2010 02:01:13 PM 1090 Views
Oh, I misunderstood. Ok. - 21/09/2010 03:10:33 PM 1157 Views
Changed-look down - 21/09/2010 10:53:21 PM 1136 Views
A couple Questions - 21/09/2010 08:53:29 PM 1113 Views
Re: A couple Questions - 21/09/2010 08:57:59 PM 1147 Views
Re: A couple Questions - 22/09/2010 02:43:21 AM 1119 Views
On this whole decryption thing though... - 21/09/2010 10:28:57 PM 1249 Views
Well.... - 21/09/2010 11:05:57 PM 1192 Views
Re: Well.... - 22/09/2010 08:30:27 AM 1365 Views
Re: Well.... - 22/09/2010 02:19:46 PM 1193 Views
Any idea when we are gonna start decrypting? - 22/09/2010 01:44:39 AM 1126 Views
I think it's ASAP - 22/09/2010 04:07:57 AM 1168 Views
Hmm ok. - 22/09/2010 11:30:55 AM 1118 Views
We could do it today no? - 22/09/2010 10:57:34 PM 1135 Views
Hold on I'm changing my code. - 22/09/2010 01:51:01 AM 1117 Views
Wait why does it say and between my codes? - 22/09/2010 11:00:51 PM 1173 Views
Its just a link to both - 22/09/2010 11:09:17 PM 1116 Views
Re: Its just a link to both - 22/09/2010 11:24:07 PM 1173 Views
For the record, I will decode both, if requested. - 23/09/2010 04:49:15 AM 1148 Views
My previous roleclaim code should be sufficient - 22/09/2010 11:30:12 PM 1147 Views
what now? - 22/09/2010 09:27:09 PM 1083 Views
Napoleon needs to roleclaim now - 22/09/2010 09:51:56 PM 1206 Views
Are you talking about your "ninja shortlist?" - 22/09/2010 11:07:18 PM 1149 Views
Arg... REALLY sorry people. - 23/09/2010 08:16:00 PM 1181 Views
You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game - 23/09/2010 09:14:46 PM 1226 Views
Why is that so suspicious? - 23/09/2010 10:02:23 PM 1171 Views
It's suspicious because it's not true - 23/09/2010 10:17:43 PM 1230 Views
PS: ^This is my decryption. *NM* - 24/09/2010 05:11:09 AM 653 Views
Re: You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game - 23/09/2010 10:27:31 PM 1229 Views
Hmmm... - 23/09/2010 11:11:21 PM 1195 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 24/09/2010 03:44:02 AM 1165 Views
"I'm roled by not a standard town role" - 24/09/2010 05:09:27 AM 1194 Views
Re: "I'm roled by not a standard town role" - 24/09/2010 05:41:11 AM 1188 Views
I believe I already mentioned that *NM* - 24/09/2010 08:37:01 AM 647 Views
I've been playing this game since the wotmania days - 24/09/2010 02:36:21 AM 1440 Views
To our non-participating friends: - 23/09/2010 05:28:39 AM 1171 Views
Everyone can start decrypting now - 23/09/2010 09:01:24 PM 1153 Views
Re: Everyone can start decrypting now - 23/09/2010 10:33:08 PM 1164 Views
Ok, I'll go ahead and do mine too - 23/09/2010 11:16:29 PM 1274 Views
Wow that's good. - 24/09/2010 12:14:48 AM 1108 Views
I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine - 24/09/2010 12:45:09 AM 1239 Views
Re: I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine - 24/09/2010 02:44:11 AM 1174 Views
eh, what the heck - 24/09/2010 03:04:29 AM 1094 Views
Re: eh, what the heck - 24/09/2010 03:47:31 AM 967 Views
Just out of curiosity, why do you say townie? RB could just as easily be scum, if not more so. *NM* - 24/09/2010 05:13:51 AM 550 Views
other factors make me think otherwise - 24/09/2010 06:07:31 AM 1049 Views
A good bit of analysis - 24/09/2010 09:42:59 AM 1703 Views
Re: A good bit of analysis - 24/09/2010 02:34:02 PM 1121 Views
right, mine - 24/09/2010 10:37:45 AM 1215 Views
Re: right, mine - 24/09/2010 10:43:26 AM 1141 Views
EPWOP - 24/09/2010 10:55:42 AM 1169 Views
Re: EPWOP - 24/09/2010 12:47:47 PM 1197 Views
Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:14:31 PM 1177 Views
Re: Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:22:42 PM 1203 Views
Re: Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:30:47 PM 1140 Views
fair enough - 24/09/2010 01:58:27 PM 1166 Views
Decryption - 25/09/2010 08:00:57 AM 1392 Views
All right - 25/09/2010 02:02:29 PM 1091 Views
Re: All right - 25/09/2010 03:06:00 PM 1310 Views
Re: All right - 25/09/2010 03:35:23 PM 1033 Views
I was lazy... I used the INTERNET - 24/09/2010 06:04:26 AM 1047 Views
Re: I was lazy... I used the INTERNET - 24/09/2010 02:29:29 PM 1114 Views
That is potentially a huge power - 24/09/2010 02:55:05 PM 1235 Views
Re: That is potentially a huge power - 24/09/2010 03:33:43 PM 1194 Views
Role Claim and Action (Table) - All claims in - 24/09/2010 01:32:53 PM 1197 Views
While we're waiting on White Flame - 25/09/2010 08:59:09 PM 1259 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame - 25/09/2010 10:47:47 PM 1115 Views
EBWOP - 25/09/2010 10:48:31 PM 1117 Views
It's probably also worth noting - 25/09/2010 11:17:19 PM 1189 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting - 26/09/2010 12:39:13 AM 1173 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting - 26/09/2010 01:10:17 AM 1116 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame - 26/09/2010 02:47:14 AM 1194 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 03:15:38 AM 1225 Views
Eh. The RC's always mess me up - 26/09/2010 03:43:54 AM 1066 Views
Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:00:52 AM 1124 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:33:40 AM 1193 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:50:08 AM 1137 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 05:58:11 AM 1100 Views
not to mention... - 26/09/2010 04:55:30 AM 1178 Views
Re: not to mention... - 26/09/2010 05:03:35 AM 1167 Views
Re: not to mention... - 26/09/2010 03:50:09 PM 1390 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 02:31:43 PM 692 Views
And what's your reason for this? - 26/09/2010 05:50:11 PM 1188 Views
When I saw this... - 26/09/2010 10:07:08 PM 1084 Views
I'll second this motion. Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 07:13:54 PM 710 Views
Somebody want to hammer? - 26/09/2010 09:02:17 PM 1180 Views
Unless somebody vote blocked me or something - 26/09/2010 09:06:13 PM 1263 Views
nobody admitted to that role, right? - 26/09/2010 09:26:30 PM 1206 Views
Oh yeah, missed that. Sorry. *NM* - 26/09/2010 10:19:22 PM 677 Views
<b>Vote: Fox and Ravens</b> - 26/09/2010 09:11:27 PM 1110 Views
EBWOP...aww crap. Oh well. *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:11:52 PM 659 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:30:28 PM 732 Views
Fox and Ravens has been lynched. - 26/09/2010 10:42:10 PM 1187 Views

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