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Crypto tricks Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/09/2010 10:13:23 AM
Okay, I am slightly won over by this idea...not enough to endorse it and participate yet...but enough to want to know more details.


Its big advantage, I think, is that the DFs couldn't have anticipated this outcome, scummers who aren't otherwise suspected don't make up RC's on night 1 and share and criticize around because you've no idea who is what yet. What we'll do, if we go with the plan, is ask the less frequent posters to get there's up first - their code that is - just so if we end up waiting on someone, odds are most won't have posted theirs yet, minimizes risk, we don't really need to go in strict order, then, as soon as the last one is in, we start revealing our code keys, roughly in reverse order I think, the last poster doesn't even need to code, and anyone who thinks they'll have a very hard time using the coding tricks can request to go last. If 8 or 9 of us have posted our codes, little harm is done by having someone skip the code and just state their role. Everyone posts some clear code, relatively short, no more than 20 or 30 characters, no more than maybe half a dozen padding characters, if they've got some really large hybrid role they can always drop vowels and abbreviate, which I'll put in a table, they can then litter their message giving the code with all sorts clues about the key to the code, so long as the actual code is specific, so nobody tries to overlap multiple codes they can claim out of, encoding three or four roles into one message. I'll go into some sample methods below. We'll essentially achieve simultaneous claims, which is very good to do, sort of the equivalent of having everyone write down their name and role on a piece of paper and sticking it in a hat, then when they're all in have them read and tabled.

This happens to be a ideal situation to try it out, I've considered using it generally for normal mass claims but it hasn't been in my best interests to do it for, well, since game 5 or so, lot of scummering, wasn't necessary, or I was dead, etc. IT has given me a fair amount of time to refine the idea for use

For one, I think we definitely need those suggestions and advice you mentioned because I very honestly have no clue how I would even start.


Sure thing. The biggest concern is leaving a message that can't be simply cracked while simultaneously leaving no doubt that the key to decode it was as given, so someone couldn't later manufacture a fake key to fit their clue. I'll give some examples.

I am a cop. I wish to encrypt that, just doing "dpq" is kinda obvious, one letter onto each, plus only so many roles have 3 letter names, but let's say we wanted to encode that to make it hard to extract.

"The Flower, IAEUR"

Starting with cop, the letter-number switcheroo is 3-15-16
Now, for F-L- O -U-R (flower as hint to Flour) it's 6-12-15-21-18

Making Cop 3-15-16-0-0 and adding it to 6-12-15-21-18 gives you:
9-27-31-21-18, for all numbers above 26, we simply repeat back to A=27, B=28, etc, so it turns into 9-1-5-21-18 ---> I-A-E-U-R

Now, trying to guess one's way back to cop from that clue is damn nigh impossible, and this just being a game, no one is too likely to try, you can hack any simple code given enough time and effort, but short messages like this, where one is basically trying to drop the clues needed not to decode it but to prove that that the key to decoding it was the original, not too tricky.

I can't give anyone anything specific to use, since if I do some can crack it, just give ideas. Go through anything you make and double check it to make sure its right and both obvious on explanation and arcane otherwise, nothing too heavy. Up above was one example that can be modified. And I'm sure people can come up with other. Stay simple, people don't need to have a clue that cracks it, just makes it clear your key is singular. Up above was an example, and so is this message. "BWMLFHR"


For those having doubts about how effective this is, try to crack that before going further down for the answer









I can't give anyone anything specific to use, since if I do some can crack it, just give ideas. Go through anything you make and double check it to make sure its right and both obvious on explanation and arcane otherwise, nothing too heavy. Up above was one example that can be modified. And I'm sure people can come up with other. Stay simple, people don't need to have a clue that cracks it, just makes it clear your key is singular. Up above was an example, and so is this message.

First word of every sentence "I Go Up And Stay Up" with the sentence beginning with "And" serving as an indicator this isn't an accident. What goes up and stays up? Lots of stuff, so hard to guess even if someone catches that, but in this case: Helium... note also "Nothing too heavy" which serves as another confirmation. HELIUM is the key to our code BWMLFHR

Tracker + Helium = BWMLFHR
20-18-1-3-11-5-18 + 8-5-12-9-21-3-0 = 28-23-13-12-32-8-18
Change the 28 and 32 into 2 and 6 (28-26 and 32-26) and you get
2-23-13-12-6-8-18 or BWMLFHR... by the way, one should pad these things, say use CRBWMLFHRAP instead, as CR-BWMLFHR-AP... CR-AP, crap, or rather than just encode cop, encode I am a COP - IAMACOP, or encode POCAMAI instead and use as your key REVERSE, scatter clues in the message like "I think we need to push forward with our investigations, and we're really not" and "Seems like everytime we lynch someone they're the opposite of what we expect" and so on. You want as many points of contact confirming your key as you can.

That's not the only route of course, it's just fairly straightforward and reusable. Most others, I'll ruin if I give them but people can use them for ideas, for instance, my last message had a time stamp of 013329, I could add that to "tracker" and comment on how the key was in my last message, etc, etc, nobody would be likely to guess that. Gotta be a little careful my timestamp is set to my time for me, everyone in the default site time will see 063329, but that can be explained, and a single letter off can be forgiven as a mistake so long as its still clear. I know when I left the code telling everyone (in RP Mafia) that I'd copped FT and found him loyal and we were now in discreet cahoots, to be used if I died, I was using all capital letters as the code, and accidentally capitalized someone's name out of habit, odds are if you mess up that way and your decode reads DOCVTOR you'll be good, or if it reads DOCUOR, but doubly checking is a good idea.

Our big advantage is that even if someone cracks it, they can hardly say they did or tell their allies, ideally we have the less frequent posters go first too, so we're not giving people days to try their hand at cracking codes, personally I'll try it just for fun, but mine's already up their so it shouldn't matter. IF anyone wants to go the letter-number route this app will help you can turn the word into numbers or the numbers back into letters, time consuming and easier to make a mistake otherwise. IF anyone really devotes the time to crack codes and is successful, well good for them, a little extra game for that player, most likely it would be one scummer cracking one or two codes for their own use on what to avoid claiming, they won't get them all I'm sure (and if so, they probably deserve to win) let alone aid their allies with the knowledge, so this is pretty safe.

I think I also need to hear more opinions on this.

but I like that it's a new idea that the scum won't be able to have a prediscussed offense against, especially if we can get it done before the next night phase.


Ideally we do it before we lynch anyone today, since there's a good chance we'll shake out someone doing this, its big problem is we'll be exposing our doc, cop, etc... but the cop is often exposed by day 3 and the doc too. In a game of 12 people, usually by day 4, 6 of the 12 are dead anyway, and any given player has about a 1 in 5 chance of getting snuffed during our double lynch. It's a calculated sacrifice that we may not even have to pay, though that's for later.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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Omg. This reply cracked me up so bad. - 15/09/2010 12:34:38 PM 814 Views
Arrrgggh - 15/09/2010 12:50:18 PM 766 Views
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plus... - 15/09/2010 01:50:44 PM 743 Views
The grave is no bar to my call!! - 15/09/2010 06:15:53 PM 773 Views
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oops, meant to post that to the main topic. *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:31:09 PM 528 Views
they what the what??? - 15/09/2010 08:07:08 AM 727 Views
Moving along - 15/09/2010 02:47:27 PM 984 Views
knife hand? *confused* *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:25:01 PM 439 Views
You like being the one to kill people. *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:48:56 PM 520 Views
oh *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:59:03 PM 491 Views
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Sorry bout Yesterday. - 15/09/2010 07:56:22 PM 678 Views
Eh, hindsight is 20/20, but I think we overreacted *NM* - 15/09/2010 09:03:27 PM 510 Views
Haha. Apparantly so...still. I didn't like what he said. *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:19:35 PM 503 Views
You're just annoyed that I voted for you! - 17/09/2010 04:06:11 PM 765 Views
my current suspects - 15/09/2010 09:52:52 PM 875 Views
How is that a tactic? *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:21:04 PM 461 Views
It's a great tactic - 16/09/2010 04:41:38 AM 775 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 16/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 475 Views
Definitely. White Flame has been almost nonexistent. - 15/09/2010 11:23:21 PM 791 Views
yeah, its pretty odd. - 16/09/2010 12:42:01 AM 743 Views
Re: my current suspects - 16/09/2010 03:31:41 AM 866 Views
Expanding the list - 16/09/2010 05:37:24 AM 811 Views
Sorry All - 16/09/2010 10:27:08 PM 747 Views
19? damn - 17/09/2010 03:00:14 AM 925 Views
Re: 19? damn - 17/09/2010 03:40:03 AM 786 Views
Really sorry about the lack of contributions - 18/09/2010 01:02:13 AM 843 Views
RBIRL - 17/09/2010 11:38:33 PM 817 Views
Day 2 EVENT: In High Spirits - 18/09/2010 04:53:47 AM 841 Views
I think 'Aye' is probably the best choice, Vote: Aye - 18/09/2010 05:24:24 AM 671 Views
I can - 18/09/2010 05:35:29 AM 766 Views
There's no REAL downside though... - 18/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 805 Views
Re: There's no REAL downside though... - 19/09/2010 01:22:48 PM 712 Views
Nay - 18/09/2010 05:25:57 AM 796 Views
Can we get an actual reason please? *NM* - 18/09/2010 05:32:35 AM 503 Views
I just posted it in response to Isaac *NM* - 18/09/2010 05:36:03 AM 454 Views
Aye *NM* - 18/09/2010 07:51:22 AM 460 Views
Aye *NM* - 18/09/2010 12:09:39 PM 469 Views
I'm going to go with Vote: Aye - 18/09/2010 02:43:26 PM 747 Views
I'm gonna go with Aye - 18/09/2010 04:16:42 PM 786 Views
Vote: Aye! - 18/09/2010 06:18:47 PM 793 Views
Any debate? Anyone in favor of Nay? - 18/09/2010 07:53:56 AM 804 Views
The vote has already reached a majority, by the way. - 18/09/2010 08:47:56 PM 705 Views
I'm not for Nay - 21/09/2010 01:25:41 AM 738 Views
Oh well too late - 21/09/2010 01:27:36 AM 715 Views
Talk Like a Pirate Day be tomorrow. Arrrr. *NM* - 18/09/2010 08:37:09 PM 455 Views
We need to come up with a plan - 19/09/2010 05:59:26 AM 794 Views
Well, here's who voted for BA: - 19/09/2010 08:04:26 AM 765 Views
? is the logical target - 19/09/2010 08:56:53 AM 740 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 19/09/2010 02:33:53 PM 796 Views
He is, but I think... - 19/09/2010 03:24:34 PM 769 Views
So what do we do until then? - 19/09/2010 11:32:45 PM 775 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 20/09/2010 02:10:49 AM 786 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 20/09/2010 03:14:22 AM 722 Views
Who are your candidates for lynch? - 20/09/2010 03:58:04 AM 771 Views
I don't have any. Especially after my fail of a push for BA - 20/09/2010 04:35:23 AM 714 Views
I think I have a plan - 20/09/2010 06:33:29 AM 894 Views
...erm... - 20/09/2010 07:37:16 AM 897 Views
Crypto tricks - 20/09/2010 10:13:23 AM 808 Views
Also, there's a good chance we ALREADY lynched the cop - 20/09/2010 03:53:49 PM 693 Views
I did notice that... - 21/09/2010 07:50:20 AM 674 Views
I like this idea - 20/09/2010 07:59:31 AM 741 Views
one more thing - 20/09/2010 05:29:00 PM 693 Views
OK, cool! - 20/09/2010 04:17:50 PM 747 Views
intresting idea. - 20/09/2010 04:50:06 PM 784 Views
Alright, I can get behind this. - 20/09/2010 06:14:03 PM 671 Views
*confusion* *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:32:41 AM 443 Views
Basically, he's suggesting a mass roleclaim - 21/09/2010 06:05:34 AM 728 Views
Okay so I got my code... - 21/09/2010 08:46:16 AM 770 Views
Ok...here goes nothing... - 21/09/2010 08:55:57 PM 613 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 21/09/2010 12:34:10 AM 753 Views
Low posting is anti-town - 20/09/2010 03:42:19 AM 840 Views
Re: Low posting is anti-town - 21/09/2010 01:29:21 AM 630 Views
hmm.. - 19/09/2010 01:18:41 PM 793 Views
Some thoughts... - 19/09/2010 01:21:56 PM 714 Views
this is the first time its happened while i've been playing atleast - 19/09/2010 04:52:13 PM 743 Views
guess so. *NM* - 20/09/2010 05:55:38 AM 485 Views
It's new, but it's hard to see the downside - 19/09/2010 11:48:35 PM 754 Views
Re: It's new, but it's hard to see the downside - 20/09/2010 05:57:12 AM 768 Views
It looks like we're proceeding with the plan so a few reminders - 20/09/2010 06:35:21 PM 843 Views
Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 20/09/2010 06:41:22 PM 784 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 20/09/2010 07:13:22 PM 759 Views
Lesse, I think I got a minute here. - 20/09/2010 07:56:48 PM 758 Views
EBWOP: Lessee, redo, class. *NM* - 20/09/2010 07:57:09 PM 475 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 21/09/2010 12:04:49 AM 730 Views
So if I'm understanding this properly... - 21/09/2010 01:38:34 AM 729 Views
That is correct. *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:44:37 AM 467 Views
Re: That is correct. - 21/09/2010 02:16:30 AM 801 Views
Same here *NM* - 21/09/2010 03:34:00 AM 477 Views
im still not clear on the key thing. - 21/09/2010 04:38:53 PM 755 Views
Okay - 21/09/2010 05:28:23 PM 762 Views
It's mostly so someone can't be super-sneaky - 21/09/2010 07:02:55 PM 746 Views
Re: Okay - 21/09/2010 07:43:39 PM 727 Views
You wanted to hint at it, not say it..... *NM* - 21/09/2010 07:46:10 PM 477 Views
horsefeathers - 21/09/2010 07:55:44 PM 700 Views
It's alright. So long as no one actually tries to decode it. :/ *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:00:17 PM 482 Views
when does that happen again? tomorrow? *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:03:24 PM 455 Views
As soon as our laggers post *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:07:23 PM 468 Views
I'm glad I'm dead so I don't have to bother with this. *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:28:46 PM 433 Views
Ghost pirate!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! - 21/09/2010 11:48:56 PM 731 Views
I think the only thing a pirate fears ... - 22/09/2010 12:45:38 AM 661 Views
It's easy if you're not British *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:59:06 PM 479 Views
but it's fuuuuuun!!!! *NM* - 22/09/2010 08:23:03 AM 536 Views
on a completely different topic... - 21/09/2010 08:58:35 AM 806 Views
List of Codes and Roleclaims (Table) - 21/09/2010 11:25:37 AM 879 Views
So I shouldn't code my Role now? *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:45:10 PM 417 Views
Of course you should, why wouldn't you? *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:57:53 PM 520 Views
The very last person need not code, everyone else needs to - 21/09/2010 02:01:13 PM 685 Views
Oh, I misunderstood. Ok. - 21/09/2010 03:10:33 PM 763 Views
Changed-look down - 21/09/2010 10:53:21 PM 757 Views
A couple Questions - 21/09/2010 08:53:29 PM 763 Views
Re: A couple Questions - 21/09/2010 08:57:59 PM 766 Views
Re: A couple Questions - 22/09/2010 02:43:21 AM 718 Views
On this whole decryption thing though... - 21/09/2010 10:28:57 PM 795 Views
Well.... - 21/09/2010 11:05:57 PM 750 Views
Re: Well.... - 22/09/2010 08:30:27 AM 919 Views
Re: Well.... - 22/09/2010 02:19:46 PM 776 Views
Any idea when we are gonna start decrypting? - 22/09/2010 01:44:39 AM 733 Views
I think it's ASAP - 22/09/2010 04:07:57 AM 787 Views
Hmm ok. - 22/09/2010 11:30:55 AM 743 Views
We could do it today no? - 22/09/2010 10:57:34 PM 738 Views
Hold on I'm changing my code. - 22/09/2010 01:51:01 AM 702 Views
Wait why does it say and between my codes? - 22/09/2010 11:00:51 PM 733 Views
Its just a link to both - 22/09/2010 11:09:17 PM 734 Views
Re: Its just a link to both - 22/09/2010 11:24:07 PM 777 Views
For the record, I will decode both, if requested. - 23/09/2010 04:49:15 AM 763 Views
My previous roleclaim code should be sufficient - 22/09/2010 11:30:12 PM 757 Views
what now? - 22/09/2010 09:27:09 PM 662 Views
Napoleon needs to roleclaim now - 22/09/2010 09:51:56 PM 804 Views
Are you talking about your "ninja shortlist?" - 22/09/2010 11:07:18 PM 751 Views
Arg... REALLY sorry people. - 23/09/2010 08:16:00 PM 765 Views
You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game - 23/09/2010 09:14:46 PM 796 Views
Why is that so suspicious? - 23/09/2010 10:02:23 PM 746 Views
It's suspicious because it's not true - 23/09/2010 10:17:43 PM 822 Views
PS: ^This is my decryption. *NM* - 24/09/2010 05:11:09 AM 458 Views
Re: You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game - 23/09/2010 10:27:31 PM 814 Views
Hmmm... - 23/09/2010 11:11:21 PM 786 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 24/09/2010 03:44:02 AM 763 Views
"I'm roled by not a standard town role" - 24/09/2010 05:09:27 AM 797 Views
Re: "I'm roled by not a standard town role" - 24/09/2010 05:41:11 AM 769 Views
I believe I already mentioned that *NM* - 24/09/2010 08:37:01 AM 438 Views
I've been playing this game since the wotmania days - 24/09/2010 02:36:21 AM 995 Views
To our non-participating friends: - 23/09/2010 05:28:39 AM 772 Views
Everyone can start decrypting now - 23/09/2010 09:01:24 PM 764 Views
Re: Everyone can start decrypting now - 23/09/2010 10:33:08 PM 749 Views
Ok, I'll go ahead and do mine too - 23/09/2010 11:16:29 PM 811 Views
Wow that's good. - 24/09/2010 12:14:48 AM 706 Views
I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine - 24/09/2010 12:45:09 AM 813 Views
Re: I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine - 24/09/2010 02:44:11 AM 756 Views
eh, what the heck - 24/09/2010 03:04:29 AM 657 Views
Re: eh, what the heck - 24/09/2010 03:47:31 AM 579 Views
Just out of curiosity, why do you say townie? RB could just as easily be scum, if not more so. *NM* - 24/09/2010 05:13:51 AM 352 Views
other factors make me think otherwise - 24/09/2010 06:07:31 AM 645 Views
A good bit of analysis - 24/09/2010 09:42:59 AM 1304 Views
Re: A good bit of analysis - 24/09/2010 02:34:02 PM 737 Views
right, mine - 24/09/2010 10:37:45 AM 801 Views
Re: right, mine - 24/09/2010 10:43:26 AM 762 Views
EPWOP - 24/09/2010 10:55:42 AM 767 Views
Re: EPWOP - 24/09/2010 12:47:47 PM 799 Views
Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:14:31 PM 724 Views
Re: Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:22:42 PM 810 Views
Re: Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:30:47 PM 729 Views
fair enough - 24/09/2010 01:58:27 PM 749 Views
Decryption - 25/09/2010 08:00:57 AM 920 Views
All right - 25/09/2010 02:02:29 PM 706 Views
Re: All right - 25/09/2010 03:06:00 PM 860 Views
Re: All right - 25/09/2010 03:35:23 PM 653 Views
I was lazy... I used the INTERNET - 24/09/2010 06:04:26 AM 655 Views
Re: I was lazy... I used the INTERNET - 24/09/2010 02:29:29 PM 739 Views
That is potentially a huge power - 24/09/2010 02:55:05 PM 808 Views
Re: That is potentially a huge power - 24/09/2010 03:33:43 PM 762 Views
Role Claim and Action (Table) - All claims in - 24/09/2010 01:32:53 PM 778 Views
While we're waiting on White Flame - 25/09/2010 08:59:09 PM 863 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame - 25/09/2010 10:47:47 PM 726 Views
EBWOP - 25/09/2010 10:48:31 PM 718 Views
It's probably also worth noting - 25/09/2010 11:17:19 PM 760 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting - 26/09/2010 12:39:13 AM 782 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting - 26/09/2010 01:10:17 AM 736 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame - 26/09/2010 02:47:14 AM 779 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 03:15:38 AM 825 Views
Eh. The RC's always mess me up - 26/09/2010 03:43:54 AM 700 Views
Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:00:52 AM 750 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:33:40 AM 779 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:50:08 AM 749 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 05:58:11 AM 720 Views
not to mention... - 26/09/2010 04:55:30 AM 739 Views
Re: not to mention... - 26/09/2010 05:03:35 AM 771 Views
Re: not to mention... - 26/09/2010 03:50:09 PM 965 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 02:31:43 PM 497 Views
And what's your reason for this? - 26/09/2010 05:50:11 PM 767 Views
When I saw this... - 26/09/2010 10:07:08 PM 693 Views
I'll second this motion. Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 07:13:54 PM 500 Views
Somebody want to hammer? - 26/09/2010 09:02:17 PM 773 Views
Unless somebody vote blocked me or something - 26/09/2010 09:06:13 PM 850 Views
nobody admitted to that role, right? - 26/09/2010 09:26:30 PM 772 Views
Oh yeah, missed that. Sorry. *NM* - 26/09/2010 10:19:22 PM 471 Views
<b>Vote: Fox and Ravens</b> - 26/09/2010 09:11:27 PM 724 Views
EBWOP...aww crap. Oh well. *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:11:52 PM 457 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:30:28 PM 472 Views
Fox and Ravens has been lynched. - 26/09/2010 10:42:10 PM 777 Views

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