I don't like just lynching low posters for being low posters. Though, we do have two lynches so we can do that. Other than that, no one really stands out to me. Isaac does look pro-town to me, though thats about it. I can't say anything about Yuna, and can't really see the case for why she's prob town. (Though I think I did skim over those posts anyway)
The case for Yuna's pretty simple, though I have to be a bit vague on my information dispersal for self-protection, which I no longer think is as important with the free night, but we'll get to that in a bit.
I can say with near absolute certainty that she did not kill DK, and that creates two formulas, one for each scenario, 2 scummers and 3 scummers.
If we have 2 scummers, then one of them did the kill and the other did not. There are ten of us, though really 9 since we all know our own alignment and whether we did it.
If two scummers, the odds any individual players is a ninja is 2/9, and the odds a given person did the deed are 1/9. 50% of the odds of them being scum, if Yuna's a scummer, but didn't kill DK, she would only be 1/9, whereas anyone else is 2/9. For 3 scummers, it shifts to 3/9 and 2/9 for her, either way, she is less likely to be a scummer, she could still be one, it is simply less probable than random, that is sufficient at this time for me to strike her off my list of lynch candidates as a poor choice, but not to view her as def-town. Now, from the perspective of an y townie but me, this actually shifts, accepting me at my word on this and taking me for town, and knowing one's self to be town, changes other's odds for ninja-dom to 2/8 or 3/8, and her values to 1 in 8 or 2/8 respectively, there's other components I'll discuss should we mass claim that I feel work in her favor as well, but as said, she still deserves suspicion but should be assumed to be less likely to be scum than the average person. All this, again, is based off knowing she didn't kill DK, and knowing (presumably) that a scummer did, it proves nothing, merely tips the odds.
Now, in my opinion, though I don't expect to get the necessary support for this, our best move at this time is a structured massclaim. Were everyone to agree - or enough to force compliance - I would suggest we have everyone code their role into a message, then we claim openly and show where we coded. The coding aspect is tricky, and I have some suggestions and advice on how people can do this so as to limit the chance of it being cracked while showing it wasn't back-coded (decryption made up backwards to fit the newly desired role) while there may be some leaking from this, for practical purposes it would amount to the same effect as a mass simultaneous claim, and we'd have two shots to find our culprits off that before we'd be at risk of NK, with good odds of interference or protective roles stopping those attacks, since they'd only have 7 people to pick from and should have good odds of decreasing that through educated guesses from the mass claim and what follows.
I don't think people will accept this proposal, but let me point out before we discuss or reject it, that we often claim in mass on Day 3, rarely later than day 4, and for our purposes, the threat from massclaim today is identical to a day 3 mass claim. If we plan to massclaim on day 3, doing so today is of equal threat. More, it is quite probable that the ninjas haven't spent much time discussing fake RCs yet, day 2 rarely involves revealing so little need and you have to adapt as you see the roles come out. I think this can work, and if nothing else, it is a more appealing option than what we all know we will otherwise do, kill off low posters or BA voters or those who meet both criteria - those factors will likely still come into play, but it will leave room for much more meaningful discussion.
It goes without saying nobody should RC yet, we want everyone to reveal in such a fashion that they do not know anyone else's claim when they list theirs, then then need only state their role and show where they proclaimed it when everyone is done, even if some people slip up, we'll be no worse off then if they simply claimed normally, but a total success would equal a simultaneous claim and a partial - even assuming the ninjas take the time to try to decode, would be better than a normal claim. I will now claim, in such as way no one can doubt the claim I make is influenced by later claims, as an example
IPUFODTUDKQRWTRIONEFOR
Contained in that is my coded role message and sufficient data that on explanation it will be clear I was specifically claiming this particular thing, good luck anyone trying to crack that, it definitely isn't a piece of cake.
Okay, I am slightly won over by this idea...not enough to endorse it and participate yet...but enough to want to know more details.
For one, I think we definitely need those suggestions and advice you mentioned because I very honestly have no clue how I would even start.
I think I also need to hear more opinions on this.
but I like that it's a new idea that the scum won't be able to have a prediscussed offense against, especially if we can get it done before the next night phase.
RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas
- 15/09/2010 05:39:03 AM
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ARRRRRRR *NM*
- 15/09/2010 06:44:52 AM
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Omg. This reply cracked me up so bad.
- 15/09/2010 12:34:38 PM
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Arrrgggh
- 15/09/2010 12:50:18 PM
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- 15/09/2010 12:50:18 PM
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Re: Arrrgggh
- 15/09/2010 01:29:15 PM
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- 15/09/2010 01:29:15 PM
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plus...
- 15/09/2010 01:50:44 PM
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Voting Record
- 18/09/2010 05:41:39 AM
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Moving along
- 15/09/2010 02:47:27 PM
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knife hand? *confused* *NM*
- 15/09/2010 10:25:01 PM
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Re: RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas
- 15/09/2010 04:06:10 PM
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Re: RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas
- 15/09/2010 06:23:19 PM
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my current suspects
- 15/09/2010 09:52:52 PM
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How is that a tactic? *NM*
- 15/09/2010 10:21:04 PM
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Expanding the list
- 16/09/2010 05:37:24 AM
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Day 2 EVENT: In High Spirits
- 18/09/2010 04:53:47 AM
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I think 'Aye' is probably the best choice, Vote: Aye
- 18/09/2010 05:24:24 AM
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I can
- 18/09/2010 05:35:29 AM
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Nay
- 18/09/2010 05:25:57 AM
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Any debate? Anyone in favor of Nay?
- 18/09/2010 07:53:56 AM
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We need to come up with a plan
- 19/09/2010 05:59:26 AM
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Well, here's who voted for BA:
- 19/09/2010 08:04:26 AM
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? is the logical target
- 19/09/2010 08:56:53 AM
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Re: ? is the logical target
- 20/09/2010 02:10:49 AM
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Re: ? is the logical target
- 20/09/2010 03:14:22 AM
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Who are your candidates for lynch?
- 20/09/2010 03:58:04 AM
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I don't have any. Especially after my fail of a push for BA
- 20/09/2010 04:35:23 AM
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I think I have a plan
- 20/09/2010 06:33:29 AM
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...erm...
- 20/09/2010 07:37:16 AM
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Crypto tricks
- 20/09/2010 10:13:23 AM
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Some thoughts...
- 19/09/2010 01:21:56 PM
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this is the first time its happened while i've been playing atleast
- 19/09/2010 04:52:13 PM
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It looks like we're proceeding with the plan so a few reminders
- 20/09/2010 06:35:21 PM
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Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot.
- 20/09/2010 06:41:22 PM
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Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot.
- 20/09/2010 07:13:22 PM
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Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot.
- 21/09/2010 12:04:49 AM
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So if I'm understanding this properly...
- 21/09/2010 01:38:34 AM
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That is correct. *NM*
- 21/09/2010 01:44:37 AM
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im still not clear on the key thing.
- 21/09/2010 04:38:53 PM
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Okay
- 21/09/2010 05:28:23 PM
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Re: Okay
- 21/09/2010 07:43:39 PM
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You wanted to hint at it, not say it..... *NM*
- 21/09/2010 07:46:10 PM
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horsefeathers
- 21/09/2010 07:55:44 PM
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- 21/09/2010 07:55:44 PM
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It's alright. So long as no one actually tries to decode it. :/ *NM*
- 21/09/2010 08:00:17 PM
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I'm glad I'm dead so I don't have to bother with this.
*NM*
- 21/09/2010 11:28:46 PM
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*NM*
- 21/09/2010 11:28:46 PM
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List of Codes and Roleclaims (Table)
- 21/09/2010 11:25:37 AM
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So I shouldn't code my Role now? *NM*
- 21/09/2010 01:45:10 PM
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A couple Questions
- 21/09/2010 08:53:29 PM
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On this whole decryption thing though...
- 21/09/2010 10:28:57 PM
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Any idea when we are gonna start decrypting?
- 22/09/2010 01:44:39 AM
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Wait why does it say and between my codes?
- 22/09/2010 11:00:51 PM
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what now?
- 22/09/2010 09:27:09 PM
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Napoleon needs to roleclaim now
- 22/09/2010 09:51:56 PM
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Arg... REALLY sorry people.
- 23/09/2010 08:16:00 PM
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You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game
- 23/09/2010 09:14:46 PM
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Why is that so suspicious?
- 23/09/2010 10:02:23 PM
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It's suspicious because it's not true
- 23/09/2010 10:17:43 PM
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Cause people tend to accentuate the negative, they seek to form patterns, and they like exaggerating *NM*
- 24/09/2010 05:07:13 AM
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Re: You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game
- 23/09/2010 10:27:31 PM
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Everyone can start decrypting now
- 23/09/2010 09:01:24 PM
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Ok, I'll go ahead and do mine too
- 23/09/2010 11:16:29 PM
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I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine
- 24/09/2010 12:45:09 AM
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Re: I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine
- 24/09/2010 02:44:11 AM
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eh, what the heck
- 24/09/2010 03:04:29 AM
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Just out of curiosity, why do you say townie? RB could just as easily be scum, if not more so. *NM*
- 24/09/2010 05:13:50 AM
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Just out of curiosity, why do you say townie? RB could just as easily be scum, if not more so. *NM*
- 24/09/2010 05:13:51 AM
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other factors make me think otherwise
- 24/09/2010 06:07:31 AM
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right, mine
- 24/09/2010 10:37:45 AM
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Re: right, mine
- 24/09/2010 10:43:26 AM
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EPWOP
- 24/09/2010 10:55:42 AM
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Re: EPWOP
- 24/09/2010 12:47:47 PM
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Okay, that squares
- 24/09/2010 01:14:31 PM
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Re: Okay, that squares
- 24/09/2010 01:22:42 PM
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I was lazy... I used the INTERNET
- 24/09/2010 06:04:26 AM
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Re: I was lazy... I used the INTERNET
- 24/09/2010 02:29:29 PM
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While we're waiting on White Flame
- 25/09/2010 08:59:09 PM
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Re: While we're waiting on White Flame
- 25/09/2010 10:47:47 PM
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EBWOP
- 25/09/2010 10:48:31 PM
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It's probably also worth noting
- 25/09/2010 11:17:19 PM
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Re: While we're waiting on White Flame
- 26/09/2010 02:47:14 AM
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Vote: Fox and Ravens
- 26/09/2010 03:15:38 AM
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Eh. The RC's always mess me up
- 26/09/2010 03:43:54 AM
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Yes, they can be tricky
- 26/09/2010 04:00:52 AM
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Re: Yes, they can be tricky
- 26/09/2010 04:33:40 AM
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not to mention...
- 26/09/2010 04:55:30 AM
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Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM*
- 26/09/2010 02:31:43 PM
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I mean can we just lynch him without going through the procedure if he'll just give up?
- 26/09/2010 07:33:38 PM
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- 26/09/2010 07:33:38 PM
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Somebody want to hammer?
- 26/09/2010 09:02:17 PM
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*NM*