Mason groups are not threats to the mafia right? So would those of the mason group come forward? I doubt that would make them(you) a target of the Mafia assuming the Mafia has a better person to kill.
They can be, if one of them has an investigatory role, masons aren't always vanilla, its sort of small add-on, I think in my 'modding suggestions' document I even list them as having an effective role value of 0
If you don't want to come forward I can see why. When I revealed I was a mason it almost got me lynched so...
Right, keep in mind I went into last night convinced there were multiple mason groups and that at least one, if not all, would have an enemy agent in them, last night I got some fairly decent reasons not to be quite so wary of my allies, so that left you. I'm very leery of discussing anything around them for additional reasons too, I'll probably have to divulge all of that to stay alive but before I do I'd really like to know if I'm already dead, there are limits as too how much damage I'm willing to do to stay alive, keep in mind I'd been pondering claiming mason for some time now, and decided it was too dangerous at this stage.
Yeah I don't even know...
Wow this message contains nothing...
Well let me add to it As a mason on day 1, you knew who your ally was, on the character claims table, and that his other three were fake, I knew that for two of the other players, and I'd come to suspect there was at least one more mason group, I'd guessed yours and was fairly sure fist was in it, or that he was spiderman, which made me unsure about Yuna, but I figured on "Avengers" not just a two man twin group. Superhero teams - I still think we might have another mason group out there besides yours and mine. I'm sure if people look back on day 1 they'll see I was fishing for that and they'll see, as one of my teammates did, why WF stuck out even more to me. FT says I was ignoring the scum, this isn't really the case, I was looking for them, looking very hard, but I was looking for mason teams, and its not really something I could put out. If I could see some movement between players who shared character claims that were on teams, I could figure out those teams. MY initial belief was that everyone or nearly everyone was superhero teams and the bad guys were dopplegangers on those teams, and I was able to eliminate a lot claims that way. But WF couldn't be on a team, no one works with Deadpool, another thing which made him stand out to me, and I scrambled my own character claims to ensure most of my fakes was also a team member of a major well-known team, I didn't want anyone else, if my 3-4 infected mason groups theory held, to be able to figure it out on day 1, they'd know, if it was true, on day 2, and their behavior might be a tell.
People rarely realize this but many scummers or masons act very differently on day 1 to day 2, they find out info at night they didn't previously know. Like if I'm a scum leader, I might find out one of my allies can RB or is immune to investigation etc, changes my whole game plan.
The day wasn't really about killing WF, I did want him dead because I thought it he was a SK, all evidence pointed that way, public and my own personal info, but I never saw the lynch coming down that quick, three hours, but that made me think 'team vote'
Look at who voted so far for both, Yunalesca, Amys and Kronin, its not hard of Yunalesca who listed two DC comic characters for hers, a major character's girlfriend, and a member of the X-men - two of those other votes, Amys and DK, both have listed other X-men as character claims and both listed unlikely characters for at leas tone of their claims - Namor, normally a villain, and Squirrel Girl, one of WF's claims and as mentioned, a minor character who I've discussed yesterday. FT didn't see any moves by me against the scum because there was no chance, the vote happened too quickly, it did it off a comment I'd made when I decided a lynch of WF was becoming improbable too, I thought people would go for semi-random, start removing people from the list, and that some of those might be mason teammates, or if the heavily infiltrated mason theory was true, I might spot a scummer by seeing who removed someone who couldn't be on their team. That never happened, but it was a workable plan, I really was doing something against the scummers I just never got the chance.
After brief discussion with my allies come the night, which they can back me up on or out me if I lie, I'd come to believe the X-men had bandwagoned WF, it didn't entirely fit though since I was sure FT was Wolverine, a X-man, and a principle rival of Deadpool who notoriously can sniff out shapeshifters. I thought maybe that was the reason he wasn't going for deadpool but it didn't make sense because the SK idea didn't revolve around him being a skrull, the exact opposite, I even tried to pitch that idea at FT on day 1 but he either missed it or didn't accept it. It also could only make sense if FT has prior to start info, but he could have had that because I did, or think I do. I fished that out at my allies last night, figuring they'd either tell me there info or try to fake it if scum, nothing happened. That and some other factors made me doubt they could be scum, even though we were the most obvious group to be infected.
There's a lot more to this but it involves my team, I'd feel better if they came out voluntarily but if they think its too dangerous, I'll understand why, if they are clean, one of them will be at least. A great deal more of this makes sense with that info but I don't think we're all vanilla masons. I might as well put that out too, I also picked a shared characteristic besides team member for my claims - they're all "Will survive hit by tank shell' sorts, I have some NK-resistance, not total, which was another reason a SK worried me, nobody claimed a legit vig character and I had NK-resistance, and it fit so many other claims well, so if you throw in a clear NKer - Deadpool - well in a fairly small game like this it makes sense to spread some NK protection around or the game goes to fast, 2 NKs a night plus a lynch can deplete players really quickly in a 13 players game. This also had to do with baiting my teammates, I figure done of them was probably scum so I dangled something - information, vital info I was afraid to divulge - this is actually true, but I figured if they reported that back to scummer HQ I'd be attacked, and it would probably fail, and I'd know... unsurprisingly when that didn't come I figured my teammates were either infection free, didn't take the bait, or had bigger fish to fry and understandably feared I might be docced... so a dead roled mason, fist, fit the 'bigger fish' pretty well.
Hope that clarifies, I think it will make even more sense if I can do a total unload but I'd feel better if one or both of my teammates came out first, and I won't expose them if I'm already dead. Trust me though, should that happen the move on Deadpool will make even more sense as will some other things. It also lets me play out one more card I think may actually flat out prove my innocence, but it also exposes my teammates.
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RAFO Mafia 19: Superlative Crisis! ISSUE TWO: BLACK MAGIC- WHOA, MAN!
03/11/2010 04:59:59 AM
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I see two avenues to discuss here
03/11/2010 11:41:14 AM
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I was thinking about number 1.
03/11/2010 10:00:57 PM
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Regarding 2, and let me suggets a 3
04/11/2010 02:30:41 AM
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I, personally, agree with Isaac so here goes.
04/11/2010 11:33:07 PM
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O.......K..........
05/11/2010 11:43:14 PM
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Did Fist use his power last Night?
06/11/2010 03:41:05 AM
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It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
06/11/2010 04:53:19 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
06/11/2010 05:30:00 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
06/11/2010 07:15:11 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 08:18:16 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 03:38:37 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 06:42:10 PM
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Huh, well Fox straight up told us his Mason group was a 3rd Fraction on Night 1
11/11/2010 12:55:50 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 06:16:29 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 07:16:20 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 09:29:12 PM
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I am about 95% sure that WF targeted me last Night.
11/11/2010 01:04:34 AM
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Interesting.
11/11/2010 02:25:07 AM
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It's certainly possible.
11/11/2010 02:39:00 AM
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Now I'm curious
11/11/2010 03:33:46 AM
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Presumably because I'm not trying to get her lynched.
11/11/2010 03:53:54 AM
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Yeah, I'm going with that #3 there.
04/11/2010 05:41:04 AM
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Re: Yeah, I'm going with that #3 there.
04/11/2010 04:18:17 PM
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a scummer got caught on day one in the tower game
04/11/2010 06:42:15 PM
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also there was that time someone said they saw a black light instead of white
04/11/2010 07:52:41 PM
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That was Hobo in DK's crossover game. *NM*
04/11/2010 08:16:07 PM
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You know we could just forget about that. I wouldn't complain. *NM*
05/11/2010 08:35:03 PM
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Hypocop? *NM*
03/11/2010 03:20:17 PM
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So help me I will spoil the entirety of ToM, people! (not just yet, though)
10/11/2010 02:51:46 AM
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I'm pretty sure if you do, you'll be lynched. *NM*
10/11/2010 09:19:43 PM
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Vote: No Lynch
13/11/2010 12:24:43 AM
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I am very much opposed to this idea
13/11/2010 02:04:27 PM
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Then offer an alternative
13/11/2010 11:10:42 PM
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Why is an inactive likely to be a townie?
14/11/2010 04:03:35 AM
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Re: Why is an inactive likely to be a townie?
14/11/2010 04:21:12 AM
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I had no RBIRL because my computer died.
14/11/2010 06:52:56 AM
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Ah, I see you did unvote. Very well. I still got my eye on you. *NM*
14/11/2010 06:55:30 AM
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LOL - I guess this is also my informal defense
14/11/2010 08:52:56 AM
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Saying it's not out-of-character to be scummy doesn't make you any less scummy.
14/11/2010 04:33:15 PM
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Watch the difference between what he says and what he is accused of.
14/11/2010 07:08:08 PM
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After this whole argument I've had with FT...
13/11/2010 11:42:32 PM
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People who vote for totally random lynches don't deserve to win
14/11/2010 03:43:14 AM
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Re: People who vote for totally random lynches don't deserve to win
14/11/2010 02:23:04 PM
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Vote: Isaac
13/11/2010 11:58:56 PM
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Re: Vote: Isaac
14/11/2010 03:02:15 AM
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Re: Vote: Isaac
14/11/2010 04:02:30 AM
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What was scummy?
14/11/2010 04:10:12 AM
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Re: What was scummy?
14/11/2010 05:41:44 AM
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Extrmely thin
14/11/2010 06:05:32 AM
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Actually...
14/11/2010 06:55:02 AM
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Re: Actually...
14/11/2010 07:44:33 AM
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Did you guys just blitz me?
14/11/2010 11:35:58 PM
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Your not hammered yet are you?
14/11/2010 11:46:29 PM
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I think I might be, can never be sure what votes are worth in a heavy role game
14/11/2010 11:50:51 PM
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I'm potentially alive on a technicality
15/11/2010 12:02:36 AM
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Why don't you go ahead and claim then?
15/11/2010 12:11:03 AM
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Sure
15/11/2010 12:34:34 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
15/11/2010 02:13:23 AM
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Well, let me shed a bit more light
15/11/2010 04:22:36 AM
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I think so.
15/11/2010 01:25:46 AM
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Also, I must confess...
15/11/2010 01:32:44 AM
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Re: Also, I must confess...
15/11/2010 01:58:26 AM
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Yes, I would expect so.
15/11/2010 02:22:06 AM
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Re: Yes, I would expect so.
15/11/2010 02:35:49 AM
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I'm unvoting only if the defence is really foolproof, since now no-one can hammer without instantly
15/11/2010 07:18:05 AM
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EBWOP - The "only" in the title is rebundant, it was part of different title I abandoned. *NM*
15/11/2010 07:19:46 AM
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I guess the first title stands afterall I won't automatically unvote just because none should hammer
15/11/2010 08:19:00 AM
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I'll try to help Isaac out a bit here.
15/11/2010 01:11:11 PM
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Thanks, and a question too
15/11/2010 01:30:17 PM
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Well, I'll unvote if the third mason comes forward too. *NM*
15/11/2010 03:30:36 PM
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Jeez, when it rains, it pours
15/11/2010 10:34:54 PM
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OK Isaac
15/11/2010 11:14:45 PM
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My Defense Posts
16/11/2010 04:16:41 AM
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Defense A: The Fantastic Four
16/11/2010 04:31:11 AM
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Defense B: The Numbers Game
16/11/2010 04:36:59 AM
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"What motive would a scummer have"?
16/11/2010 05:56:04 PM
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Without any further questions though?
16/11/2010 11:51:42 PM
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If you see an avalanche coming, you hop on board (NOT a metaphor).
17/11/2010 12:12:31 AM
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Defense C: The Intro Flavor
16/11/2010 04:41:31 AM
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Eh ...
16/11/2010 10:00:21 PM
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Re: Eh ...
17/11/2010 02:33:27 AM
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We'll take a look at that in turn, but first...
16/11/2010 07:01:22 AM
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Re: We'll take a look at that in turn, but first...
16/11/2010 01:40:21 PM
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Yes, that was it.
16/11/2010 09:05:04 PM
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Re: Yes, that was it.
17/11/2010 02:55:58 AM
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Not at all.
17/11/2010 03:04:50 AM
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Well, that's a borderline lie
17/11/2010 04:29:47 AM
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How do you figure?
17/11/2010 05:46:37 AM
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I'd say its pretty pertinent to my defense
17/11/2010 06:49:20 AM
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All right, fair enough.
17/11/2010 07:19:37 AM
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Thanks for whakcing me before going to bed
17/11/2010 07:39:58 AM
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By the way, I'd appreciate if no one had hammer till FT has a chance to reply and vice-versa
17/11/2010 07:46:18 AM
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I have evidence in favor of and yet against F-T's claim. Take it as you will.
17/11/2010 07:18:35 PM
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Slight EBWOP
17/11/2010 07:20:58 PM
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Re: Slight EBWOP
17/11/2010 07:24:34 PM
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Uh, that doesn't make a lot of sense
17/11/2010 07:22:59 PM
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That's fair. Sanity can actually be called into question now.
17/11/2010 07:26:34 PM
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Re: That's fair. Sanity can actually be called into question now.
17/11/2010 08:01:20 PM
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Actually that sounds a good plan
17/11/2010 08:06:50 PM
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Glad to hear you agree with yourself
17/11/2010 08:14:42 PM
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:/ Wanna mention this before I forget. Little niggling that's been bugging me.
17/11/2010 03:03:27 AM
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Ah yes, I noticed that as well
17/11/2010 04:08:15 AM
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I just caught that
17/11/2010 04:53:16 AM
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No, I don't mean Cop.
17/11/2010 05:29:36 AM
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Re: No, I don't mean Cop.
17/11/2010 05:34:46 AM
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I trust him because of the way he's been acting.
17/11/2010 06:30:26 PM
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Complete sidetrack.
17/11/2010 07:28:31 PM
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Re: Complete sidetrack.
17/11/2010 07:33:51 PM
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I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
17/11/2010 05:38:53 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
17/11/2010 06:04:08 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
17/11/2010 06:25:05 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
17/11/2010 06:50:04 AM
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In the interests of honesty, now would probably be a good time to mention ...
17/11/2010 09:22:14 PM
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What the balls?
17/11/2010 09:52:04 PM
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I still only see one way for this day to end
18/11/2010 02:02:03 PM
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Re: I still only see one way for this day to end
18/11/2010 03:18:50 PM
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Its probably the blind mason loyalty thing, but I'm inclined to trust Isaac.
18/11/2010 05:16:28 PM
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Re: Its probably the blind mason loyalty thing, but I'm inclined to trust Isaac.
18/11/2010 06:00:06 PM
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I'd also like to point out that we know nothing about you
18/11/2010 03:37:08 PM
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i don't know much about comics but
18/11/2010 05:45:10 PM
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Re: i don't know much about comics but
18/11/2010 05:49:54 PM
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They're also Marvel characters
18/11/2010 06:30:11 PM
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LOL, duly noted
18/11/2010 06:48:08 PM
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Beast is really surprisingly un-beastly.
18/11/2010 06:28:15 PM
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Sure
18/11/2010 06:42:01 PM
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Alright, to hell with this. Let's test F-T's sanity. Vote: Isaac *NM*
21/11/2010 08:29:53 PM
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Ah, the frustration vote, normally my best friend
21/11/2010 09:58:18 PM
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OK, here's a question for beet:
21/11/2010 10:37:08 PM
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You're not suggesting we lynch F-T instead of Isaac, are you?
21/11/2010 11:17:19 PM
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But we do get information
22/11/2010 12:17:20 AM
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<-- Btw, first time I got the hammer vote. My life is now complete. *NM*
22/11/2010 12:20:53 AM
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Well, congrats *NM*
22/11/2010 12:32:34 AM
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Since this is a first for both of us...
22/11/2010 12:35:29 AM
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When someone dies, you find out their role. "Psycho Cop" is a distinct role.
21/11/2010 11:22:50 PM
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Isaac wonders how he could be lynched without scum involvement...
22/11/2010 12:00:31 AM
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Re: Isaac wonders how he could be lynched without scum involvement...
22/11/2010 12:21:01 AM
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Isaac has been lynched!
22/11/2010 03:10:01 AM
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I can't help but feel a silver bullet would have been appropriate
22/11/2010 04:11:13 AM
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I find that astounding, considering the level of suspicion generally laid upon you *NM*
22/11/2010 04:16:04 AM
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I might just mount your head on my wall .
22/11/2010 05:09:45 AM
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I consider myself an integral part in this group.
22/11/2010 05:27:12 AM
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