I wasn't aware that anybody I voted first for died. That's an awesome statistic.
Oh, yep, its not 100% of course but it's at least 4 in 5, probably 9 in 10 but I assume I've forgotten a few. I was tracking it with a bit of precision way back, but while it did help me find a scummer a few times, better than random, it wasn't worth the effort, so I can't give exact figures anymore. Kind of a Kiss of Death thing though, pretty neat, you and I both had more than 20 vote #1 kills at the time and this was before my last game modding I think, DK had a perfect kill conversion on Vote #2 for that matter, a couple people had perfect or near perfect vote to lynch ratios, someone had a very high hammer ratio. We're still a bit short of 100 lynches I think but about 250 kills, NK or lynch, so definitely some interesting patterns, the attrition rate on this game is so high there'd have to be I suppose, noboy has survived more than 2 out of 3 games, 1 in 3 is pretty good. Gher's been L-1 and survived I think 4 times now, stuff like that. I think I have the most raw kills and kills by heavy influence (early vote, one of the DFs, etc) but the total NKs performed personally is real close, vigs and SKs and all rack up some monstrous kill counts and a lot of times when I'm town I don't know who carried off the NKs, Yuna's killed a lot of people, so has Kronin, Kronin definitely has the most NKs in one game which is pretty impressive considering he was neither vig nor SK at the time, and I believe you still lead the field on most times NK'd.
4) Not too related, but FT's Author question was non-obvious, almost makes me wonder if he's out for revenge on Homer or something.
A very funny thought, but no, I was simply trying to find a question that would be valuable but not too obviously revealing, and this is one that I came up. I feel that most of us would likely answer no, so it would help narrow the possibilities on anybody who did answer yes.
Yeah, I didn't figure it was likely too sinister, it didn't initially stand out to me too much but someone noted the question shortly after you claimed so I roled around scenarios for it, the lead candidate, or at least the most amusing one, was a firefighter/arsonist thing with Homer as either. "Die Homer!" is simply to humorous an option not to be taken seriously, because its totally something I'd do.
5) The claim itself, it is not like FT to reveal info on day 1 about himself except under pressure, except for the Miller Claim in Gher's game which presumably didn't encourage future reveals. Why claim as Odysseus? Was it just because Beet had claimed to know him shortly before that? I can't see him just revealing that without a motive
This is true, but remember that at this point we were already asking for everyone to reveal things through the questions. I already considered the identity claim not to be especially revealing (except for a few exceptions, say Hippocrates) and certainly not in my case, which means it was little difference to me whether I'd be answering a question or identityclaiming. Since I perceived that we might be going for another round of question answering, with possibilities of more after that, I decided to exempt myself from having to do so by providing you with all the character identification I had, so that you could find the answers at your leisure. So it's either laziness or efficiency, depending on what perspective you want to adopt. Remember also that I wanted everyone to identityclaim, and I thought doing so first might create momentum for others to follow suit. Obviously that didn't happen.
Yep, I can't point too many fingers, I was really tempted to go with that plan and nearly suggested it beforehand, of course I rejected doing so because it might be anti-town - officially - mostly I just thought asking questions piecemeal gave us something to do and setup a nice potential minefield, I assumed anyone who was too blatant, Hippocrates, Oracle of Delphi, Bjorn the Tracker of Evil Men, Zogfrey He Who Watches at Night, etc would lie if necessary. I won't say if I'm roled or not, but I do not believe my character would give anyone a clue as to my rolepower or lack thereof. Antigone definitely fits miller but hardly shouts it, I'd have thought Hector would be roled, and honestly my own NKs on stuff like this tend to yield paydirt at just better than random odds, I figure that's either par for the course or better than average so I don't worry about it much.
6) Isn't it odd that FT-Odysseus, who with the exception of his wife usually had very bad times from women, seems more suspicious of the person who claims an era before his as opposed to the person who outright claims to have interacted with him?
Good point, but remember that I'm more focused on the lynching of Bergioyn yesterDay than Darth_Katie's character. I agree with beetnemesis' suspicions, but I don't know that it would necessarily inidcate mafia. I do however feel that lynching Bergioyn when he should have been modkilled deprived the town of a lynch, which is harmful to the town. And Darth_Katie argued in favour of the lynch but didn't vote herself, which couples the antitown intent with a possible scum desire not to be remembered as being on the lynching record of a townie.
That's probably mostly my fault, I figured by day 10 of inactivity that Kronin was probably waiting to decide come night fall or even dawn, ya know, dump a dead NK'd townie into the inactive guy's body as a sub if possible, if not modkill him then, and I don't like pushing for them cause I don't like doing them as a mod either. The alternate option was Scott, and I generally avoid killing newer players unless the evidence is pretty solid (or opportunity if you remember Hopper, I actually felt pretty bad about that but it was just too hard to pass) , and I really wanted the day over with. See above, 'Kiss of Death', though its probably worth noting that both of us tend to have more scummers on our wagons when we do that, probably because its so much easier to justify the vote later. I don't really have a scummer vibe off any of the 3 of you, but I don't get a townie one either, and I'm tempted to include Fox on my FOS list now just because reviewing kill counts has reminded me that an awful lot of the time someone expresses a 'townie vibe' about someone early in the game it's a scummer talking about a townie
Anyway, you've pretty much answered all my questions, as mentioned I didn't particularly figure the answers would have much of an effect on your prob-town/scum chart, an RC might produce something but there's nothing like the evidence to justifying demanding one and barring that there's just not a lot you can say to clear or indict yourself at this time. At this point I basically just want to hear who beet and DK are, not sure that will help us much but it seems inevitable so no point wasting time.
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Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia 22: Day 2 - Get the Ball Rolling
- 05/05/2011 07:29:12 PM
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Well, I guess that's for the best.
- 05/05/2011 07:46:52 PM
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Yeah, I guess that's not a worst case scenario
- 05/05/2011 08:19:50 PM
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Actually, probably best thing that could have happened, to be honest.
- 05/05/2011 08:36:57 PM
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OK, so the Bergioyn thing was kind of a bust
- 06/05/2011 04:58:14 AM
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I am against this plan.
- 06/05/2011 05:53:27 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with beetnemesis, actually.
- 06/05/2011 08:27:54 AM
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Are you really that sure that DK is evil to vote?
- 06/05/2011 12:24:21 PM
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Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 02:04:01 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 03:01:55 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 05:10:09 AM
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A roleclaim seems pretty reasonable
- 07/05/2011 07:00:53 AM
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I think he wants identity claims, not roleclaims. Otherwise he'd have asked for mine too. *NM*
- 07/05/2011 07:15:50 AM
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Yes, just character *NM*
- 07/05/2011 02:22:50 PM
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Ah, that's probably better.
- 07/05/2011 06:46:03 PM
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Well, if DK is RBIRL,
- 07/05/2011 08:06:04 PM
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I could
- 08/05/2011 07:06:44 PM
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Would you mind coding it beforehand?
- 08/05/2011 08:59:16 PM
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I agree. A code would be ideal here.
- 08/05/2011 10:14:54 PM
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Good idea. OK, here it is.
- 09/05/2011 12:28:08 AM
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When you say you "don't like doing codes a lot", does that mean you don't want all of us to do it?
- 09/05/2011 06:30:52 PM
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Certainly, I'll enlighten as best I can.
- 07/05/2011 07:15:03 AM
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Yeah, we haven't waited for a modkill in a while. I think that's a problem we need to work on
- 07/05/2011 04:32:41 PM
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Okay, that pretty much answered all my questions
- 07/05/2011 04:44:34 PM
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Le Sigh
- 10/05/2011 01:48:19 AM
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Re: Le Sigh
- 10/05/2011 04:03:47 AM
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Everybody in Greek myth is drenched in blood.
- 10/05/2011 04:24:14 AM
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And we don't really have a clue what we're looking for in the scum either.
- 10/05/2011 06:45:09 PM
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OK, and my decryption:
- 10/05/2011 05:42:32 AM
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Code checks, let's go ahead an audit them
- 10/05/2011 07:22:36 AM
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Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 04:09:20 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 04:19:55 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 05:46:49 AM
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Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
- 11/05/2011 06:17:51 AM
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Re: Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
- 11/05/2011 07:04:08 PM
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I've a feeling we could probably exclude the Persians
- 11/05/2011 07:20:58 PM
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You can go ahead and do that.
- 11/05/2011 09:17:11 PM
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Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 11/05/2011 10:02:14 PM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 11/05/2011 11:21:44 PM
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I was referring to ranagrande's "Have you heard of your character" question
- 12/05/2011 12:39:55 AM
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If you guys are going to guess what my character is, why not jsut ask me to character claim?
- 12/05/2011 02:53:17 AM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 12/05/2011 03:29:52 AM
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I think Troy was in Asia
- 12/05/2011 03:53:13 AM
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Yes, it's in Anatolia.
- 12/05/2011 04:50:06 AM
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So I wikipediaed it.
- 12/05/2011 05:23:37 AM
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Wow, 'historicity' is a word, I never knew that
- 12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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- 12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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Yeah, I'm not opposed, I had just always assumed the Trojans were Greeks, so I was surprised.
- 12/05/2011 05:54:24 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 09:16:11 PM
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I actually believe Katie.
- 11/05/2011 01:11:17 AM
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I think most of us do, but I don't think you've contemplated the facts thoroughly
- 11/05/2011 03:53:30 AM
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So...
- 11/05/2011 03:11:35 AM
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Re: So...
- 11/05/2011 03:51:57 AM
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Wait, we have that?
- 11/05/2011 04:44:10 AM
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- 11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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- 11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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Yea, I tend to skim when your posts get too long, unless their life-or-death, so to speak. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 06:45:07 AM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
- 11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
- 11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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Yes, but sometimes that reason is that you want to bury suspicions in a wall of text
. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
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. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
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Probably not
- 11/05/2011 11:56:11 PM
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I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to decide of you are serious or not.
- 11/05/2011 05:36:59 AM
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My character claim.
- 12/05/2011 02:27:03 PM
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Good job at making yourself incredibly suspicious
- 12/05/2011 03:24:18 PM
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BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
- 12/05/2011 04:17:51 PM
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Yeah, that probably requires some explaining away
- 12/05/2011 09:13:39 PM
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Not true this time.
- 12/05/2011 11:27:55 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
- 12/05/2011 11:57:58 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
- 13/05/2011 12:01:46 AM
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Pretty much that you're wrong
- 13/05/2011 01:14:28 AM
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I am wrong, judging by Hobo's post
- 13/05/2011 01:24:38 AM
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I admit this is possible, but...
- 13/05/2011 01:36:28 AM
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Re: I admit this is possible, but...
- 13/05/2011 01:46:51 AM
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2 things about that.
- 12/05/2011 11:26:14 PM
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This is an easy misunderstanding.
- 13/05/2011 12:24:52 AM
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Actually, can we get a quick headcount?
- 15/05/2011 12:10:11 AM
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Yo.
- 15/05/2011 01:15:05 AM
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We seem to have reached an impasse
- 17/05/2011 01:07:29 PM
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Option Pick (Table)
- 17/05/2011 11:13:07 PM
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Yeah, I'm not specially fond of roleclaiming this early in the game.
- 18/05/2011 01:51:36 AM
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Okay Fox, it looks like it's gonna be you
- 19/05/2011 03:32:47 AM
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I guess that's plausible
- 19/05/2011 06:02:21 AM
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Re: I guess that's plausible
- 19/05/2011 06:19:57 AM
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It is a strategy that is most valuable the earlier you use it though.
- 19/05/2011 06:39:29 AM
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I say don't RC yet. Wait for us to discuss my claim and where to go from here. *NM*
- 19/05/2011 03:35:49 PM
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Okay, cop claim in play, so what do we want to do?
- 19/05/2011 06:01:55 AM
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Even if he has been outed as the cop
- 19/05/2011 06:24:31 AM
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Hm. The roleblocker is a pretty big thing. If one of us is cop though, come foward
- 19/05/2011 06:54:30 AM
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It also ties up their roleblocker though.
- 19/05/2011 06:56:29 AM
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The one thing that makes me slightly suspect the claim
- 19/05/2011 12:49:38 PM
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Nevermind
- 19/05/2011 12:51:44 PM
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Anyway, you would think that because of my previously flub ups, I'd learn.
- 19/05/2011 03:43:09 PM
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"Because I've demonstrated a penchant for making mistakes, obviously this time is for real."
- 19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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- 19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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OK then, I'll RC
- 20/05/2011 07:23:07 PM
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Makes sense to me.
- 22/05/2011 05:43:56 PM
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I'm the cop.
- 22/05/2011 09:50:11 PM
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Well this was easier than expected.
- 22/05/2011 10:24:52 PM
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Wow, yeah. Wtf is this? Vote: Darth Katie. *NM*
- 23/05/2011 12:15:14 AM
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Hmm...
- 23/05/2011 01:42:32 AM
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We can make an argument to lynch her purely off the "lynch all liars" rule as F-T said.
- 23/05/2011 02:10:11 AM
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*Hits self in the face repeatedly*
- 23/05/2011 09:19:40 AM
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Did I mention I didn't get a lot of sleep last night?
- 23/05/2011 09:25:15 AM
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I can believe that at least
- 23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
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- 23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
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Oh please
- 23/05/2011 02:35:28 PM
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This would all be more believable
- 23/05/2011 03:32:31 PM
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I didn't remember that about Option B
- 23/05/2011 03:52:11 PM
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I will *Unvote* for now
- 23/05/2011 05:42:22 PM
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You don't approve of a doctor that can protect himself?
- 23/05/2011 11:23:58 PM
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Yeah, this is what I expected the other plausible screw-up to be.
- 23/05/2011 07:10:46 PM
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So... Fox and DK have both claimed cop?
- 23/05/2011 02:34:30 AM
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Well, now the switch around to a Doc claim.
- 23/05/2011 03:56:48 PM
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He's Beloved though (if he's not scum)
- 23/05/2011 04:07:06 PM
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Yeah, this whole thing didn't really work out too well
- 23/05/2011 04:38:30 PM
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It's been an unmitigated disaster
- 23/05/2011 06:01:23 PM
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So, uh... Wow.
- 23/05/2011 07:38:36 PM
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Before this Mass RC idea takes hold...
- 23/05/2011 07:59:18 PM
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All right...
- 23/05/2011 08:29:28 PM
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Possibly
- 23/05/2011 08:51:52 PM
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Was it Kronin or Gher that did the whole "everyone is a robot with a Backup Role" game?
- 23/05/2011 11:28:05 PM
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I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
- 23/05/2011 08:21:26 PM
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Re: I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
- 23/05/2011 08:41:10 PM
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Another point against Isaac:
- 23/05/2011 11:32:14 PM
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Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
- 23/05/2011 11:54:19 PM
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Re: Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
- 24/05/2011 12:28:24 AM
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So, seeing no objections to the mass character claim, let's start!
- 26/05/2011 01:16:36 AM
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Character Claims (table)
- 26/05/2011 02:48:44 AM
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Okay here goes.
- 26/05/2011 09:32:59 PM
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I'm Zeno. *NM*
- 27/05/2011 01:40:47 AM
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How paradoxical... I actually thought Xena for a moment
- 27/05/2011 03:08:57 AM
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I guess Xena is close, though it might take a while to get from there to Zeno.
- 27/05/2011 05:55:32 AM
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All right
- 28/05/2011 10:33:48 PM
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Re: All right
- 29/05/2011 12:42:12 AM
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Re: All right
- 31/05/2011 07:09:31 AM
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Heh, looks like I'm holding out for no particular reason.
- 30/05/2011 07:11:21 PM
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Kronin, what are we doing about Scott's continued absence?
- 29/05/2011 11:38:52 PM
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Yeah, I've been waiting on Scott's situation to resolve before doing anything
- 30/05/2011 02:04:07 AM
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Vote: Scott Blademaster
- 30/05/2011 10:23:50 PM
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While I generally agree with your reasoning...
- 31/05/2011 12:10:35 AM
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I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
- 31/05/2011 12:28:44 AM
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Re: I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
- 31/05/2011 01:28:49 AM
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I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 01:08:26 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 01:35:31 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 03:28:20 AM
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Meh, I'm not exactly averse to lynching Scott...
- 31/05/2011 05:25:14 AM
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So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
- 31/05/2011 04:02:14 PM
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I'm a bit confused at the moment.
- 31/05/2011 06:27:26 PM
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Obviously, I would be against lynching me.
- 31/05/2011 07:41:15 PM
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I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 31/05/2011 10:11:32 PM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 01/06/2011 12:37:36 AM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 01/06/2011 09:27:32 PM
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Re: So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
- 31/05/2011 08:13:17 PM
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Responses!
- 31/05/2011 10:41:38 PM
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Re: Responses!
- 01/06/2011 02:32:22 AM
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That is an awful lot of talking to refute me
- 01/06/2011 04:41:13 AM
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I could go find my mallet again if brevity is desired, glad you've acknowledged I refuted you though
- 01/06/2011 05:18:46 AM
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About ?
- 01/06/2011 09:41:44 PM
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Huh, that was way more revealing than expected
- 01/06/2011 10:30:55 PM
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It IS pretty hard to say "Oh, well he's a new player" at this point *NM*
- 02/06/2011 12:40:32 AM
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Kronin actually hasn't answered my question about last Night yet.
- 02/06/2011 03:17:05 AM
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Well, I do sincerely doubt a philosopher's ring is in play
- 31/05/2011 10:39:41 PM
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Ohhhh! You know, I looked up a bunch of famous Spartans on Wikipedia when I read that
- 31/05/2011 10:44:05 PM
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I'm decently suspicious of ranagrande.
- 01/06/2011 03:55:26 PM
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True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
- 01/06/2011 06:47:36 PM
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Re: True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
- 01/06/2011 08:36:40 PM
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Hey, sorry all.
- 02/06/2011 04:45:45 AM
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No questions in particular
- 02/06/2011 05:10:52 AM
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Thoughts
- 02/06/2011 05:09:37 AM
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So couple of things:
- 02/06/2011 09:05:16 AM
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Well, basically DK's "Thoughts" post sums up my thoughts pretty well.
- 03/06/2011 01:34:52 AM
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Yeah, he seems to be prime suspect.
- 03/06/2011 12:48:30 PM
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I will also Vote: ?
- 04/06/2011 01:56:32 AM
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Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched. *NM*
- 04/06/2011 03:14:43 AM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
- 04/06/2011 12:18:53 PM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
- 04/06/2011 02:28:49 PM
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So, our titular rolling ball seems to be headed straight at ?. ?, do you have any thoughts? *NM*
- 03/06/2011 02:53:37 AM
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I am ?'s Mason Partner.
- 04/06/2011 06:44:26 PM
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I am itching to vote for him right now.
- 04/06/2011 07:01:34 PM
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That's true. Not only did he prematurely roleclaim, he prematurely FALSELY roleclaimed *NM*
- 04/06/2011 09:06:22 PM
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In my opinion that doesn't help him at all.
- 04/06/2011 07:41:00 PM
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I don't think there's much point in waiting on ? anymore
- 04/06/2011 09:31:26 PM
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I do agree...BUUUUTTTT
- 04/06/2011 09:58:09 PM
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Vote: ?
- 05/06/2011 12:56:57 AM
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I WOULD like to hear what ? has to say... but he's certainly taking his sweet time
- 05/06/2011 01:19:42 AM
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Twilight
- 05/06/2011 08:42:02 PM
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Re: Twilight
- 05/06/2011 09:13:07 PM
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Scott, being dead, was not included in the VNTL. *NM*
- 05/06/2011 10:26:22 PM
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I think he meant 'what was Scott?' *NM*
- 06/06/2011 12:27:07 AM
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I suppose this place is as good as any to say, Happy Birthday Gher! *NM*
- 06/06/2011 08:26:56 PM
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*NM*