Re: I don't think it's such a great idea Fox
Fox and Ravens Send a noteboard - 01/06/2011 08:52:28 PM
If only because his posting is considerably lower this game compared to most games where he keeps it up. I know he just posted but in my table he had only 6 posts. I feel like that's pretty ridiculous considering him as a player and the opportunity to speak. And he's been just rubbing me the wrong way. I can't tell you why cause I don't no. Goddam gut feelings. This always happens. Someone looks suspicious to me and I can't explain why.
I've generally learned to distrust those vibes, what generally happens is that there are always a few cases where you were 'right' and you remember those, but you don't remember all the various wrongs because the game generally forces you to have tons and tons of those anyway. Lower then normal posting is genuinely suspicious though, barring RBIRL, but it's also not a strong lead, but it is a lead, rana and gher both have been fairly quiet, most probably this is because they were genuinely busy, but regardless scum are, IMO, less likely to post when busy because they like to spend more time thinking on what they should say, don't like to kick off quick posts when one little mistake can be lethal, so it's not a strong indicator but it is better than nothing. I suggest though that you wait till we've lynched to make any decisions, that will tend to change things.
I also don't think that Isaac is scum. His actions look to be genuinely pro-town and beet's accusations are not strong at all. Isaac's defense makes complete sense. Particularly on the DK cop claim. It's not the big of a deal and his post by no means threw up a red flag for me.
Well, you've convinced me

By the way, who should I try to investigate tonight? I don't think it will hurt to get a town consensus on this as I doubt there's a way they can prevent someone from being copped.
I'm probably going to regret this in the future, but I'd like a win to erase last game and I mod next so at least it can't bite me next game. So, this is a bad idea, for a whole lot of reasons. First, the most common scum role is RBer, so they can probably block your copping, and if they know going in that you are targeting one of them they're more likely to expend the RB then if they see it going on a townie, but that's fairly minor. They can also, if a consensus is a factor, steer the who it's aiming at, and that's a much bigger factor. The second most common scum role after RBer is an immunity to copping or total investigative immunity, we see it in roughly half the games and usually have 3 scum, thus my comment about your copping, even with miller indicating your sane, having a 1 in 6 chance of being wrong, even at random someone you cop right now should be viewed as only 83% likely to be town, compared to the current 8/11 73% pure random value of being town... that's high in a way, you can rule yourself out to be 7/10, 70%, drop DK probably and 6/9 or 67%, still not much better that 83% though...
...but if they have someone who can give a false read on a copping it goes way up, because it's not hard to aim a gun at yourself or your allies when you need to, and when I have such a player on my team I make an effort to draw cop attention to them, can't do too much or they may get lynched instead, but if you can get a cop to aim that investigation at your cop proof scum-buddy, you've practically got victory handed to you. And it would be easier than you think right now, because if they're smart they've already been piling on light suspicion on that player, so a move to press you to cop them under your suggested consensus would be effectively invisible. It is literally the best suggestion I could hope for if I was running a scum team with a cop-proof guy, and that's been roughly half the time in recent games. Now, the next most common role is an extra NK, after that, it's an ability to hit someone with a scum-bomb, a couple games back rana had one, it was every other night use and we agreed not to use it on night 1 just so we could use it on night 2 when we'd have better odds of knowing where the cop was aiming, worked perfectly too, the cop went right where we thought they would, unfortunately the person was a PGO, freak bad luck saved the town from getting totally screwed, mores the pity
So if the scum know where you're going with your copping, and they have one of those abilities, they've got very strong odds of basically turning your role power into a weapon to use on the town. They may not have such an ability, but you have to think about this logically, if they do, then advanced warning of who you're copping aids them greatly, worse though, is come tomorrow if you got a hit on someone, if I were them and you'd announced I'd be saying "Well, Fox told everyone who he was aiming at, even let us have a say in it, the scum were forewarned, and... [if you got a guilty hit] they might have tagged X with a scum-ray, figure its maybe 1 in 3 they have one, basically the same odds of Fox targeting a scummer anyway. And if you got back an innocent hit... "Well, Fox told everyone... they could easily have maneuvered their cop proof guy into position to be copped" and then I'd say "Think about this, they either do or don't have a RBer, if they do, then they should have blocked the copping, but they didn't, that means they either have one but wanted the copping to go through, meaning it's not real, or they don't have a RBer, and if they don't have a RBer then it's probably because they have a cop proof or scum bomb, after all, only one person has died per night so far, and we're role heavy, so they probably have something and it's not a NK, so it's almost definitely cop-proof or scum bomb"
See what I mean? Mind you, I'm not suggesting you pick a name out of the hat, by preference it's better when you find a scummer then prob-town someone, but both are good results and it's preferable to aiming your copping at one or two obvious people anyone can guess, drop off people you feel confident about sure, but don't broadcast who you're aiming at, even if the scum can guess who you'll cop down to two or three people they've got a strong chance of screwing with it if they have that ability, but not enough of one to warrant any strategy like not RBing you so that you can cop someone they want you to cop, and at a minimum that removes some of the pitfalls we have to deal with if you pick the person in advance. Just my opinion obviously but I've some knowledge on how to be a good scummer I think

Gotcha. Makes sense to me. I thought there would be something wrong with it but I just couldn't think.
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Mafia 22: Day 2 - Get the Ball Rolling
- 05/05/2011 07:29:12 PM
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Well, I guess that's for the best.
- 05/05/2011 07:46:52 PM
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Yeah, I guess that's not a worst case scenario
- 05/05/2011 08:19:50 PM
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Actually, probably best thing that could have happened, to be honest.
- 05/05/2011 08:36:57 PM
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OK, so the Bergioyn thing was kind of a bust
- 06/05/2011 04:58:14 AM
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I am against this plan.
- 06/05/2011 05:53:27 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with beetnemesis, actually.
- 06/05/2011 08:27:54 AM
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Are you really that sure that DK is evil to vote?
- 06/05/2011 12:24:21 PM
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Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 02:04:01 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 03:01:55 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 05:10:09 AM
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A roleclaim seems pretty reasonable
- 07/05/2011 07:00:53 AM
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I think he wants identity claims, not roleclaims. Otherwise he'd have asked for mine too. *NM*
- 07/05/2011 07:15:50 AM
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Yes, just character *NM*
- 07/05/2011 02:22:50 PM
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Ah, that's probably better.
- 07/05/2011 06:46:03 PM
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Well, if DK is RBIRL,
- 07/05/2011 08:06:04 PM
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I could
- 08/05/2011 07:06:44 PM
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Would you mind coding it beforehand?
- 08/05/2011 08:59:16 PM
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I agree. A code would be ideal here.
- 08/05/2011 10:14:54 PM
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Good idea. OK, here it is.
- 09/05/2011 12:28:08 AM
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When you say you "don't like doing codes a lot", does that mean you don't want all of us to do it?
- 09/05/2011 06:30:52 PM
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Certainly, I'll enlighten as best I can.
- 07/05/2011 07:15:03 AM
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Yeah, we haven't waited for a modkill in a while. I think that's a problem we need to work on
- 07/05/2011 04:32:41 PM
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Okay, that pretty much answered all my questions
- 07/05/2011 04:44:34 PM
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Le Sigh
- 10/05/2011 01:48:19 AM
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Re: Le Sigh
- 10/05/2011 04:03:47 AM
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Everybody in Greek myth is drenched in blood.
- 10/05/2011 04:24:14 AM
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And we don't really have a clue what we're looking for in the scum either.
- 10/05/2011 06:45:09 PM
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OK, and my decryption:
- 10/05/2011 05:42:32 AM
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Code checks, let's go ahead an audit them
- 10/05/2011 07:22:36 AM
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Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 04:09:20 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 04:19:55 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 05:46:49 AM
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Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
- 11/05/2011 06:17:51 AM
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Re: Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
- 11/05/2011 07:04:08 PM
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I've a feeling we could probably exclude the Persians
- 11/05/2011 07:20:58 PM
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You can go ahead and do that.
- 11/05/2011 09:17:11 PM
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Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 11/05/2011 10:02:14 PM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 11/05/2011 11:21:44 PM
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I was referring to ranagrande's "Have you heard of your character" question
- 12/05/2011 12:39:55 AM
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If you guys are going to guess what my character is, why not jsut ask me to character claim?
- 12/05/2011 02:53:17 AM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 12/05/2011 03:29:52 AM
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I think Troy was in Asia
- 12/05/2011 03:53:13 AM
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Yes, it's in Anatolia.
- 12/05/2011 04:50:06 AM
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So I wikipediaed it.
- 12/05/2011 05:23:37 AM
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Wow, 'historicity' is a word, I never knew that
- 12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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- 12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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Yeah, I'm not opposed, I had just always assumed the Trojans were Greeks, so I was surprised.
- 12/05/2011 05:54:24 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 09:16:11 PM
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I actually believe Katie.
- 11/05/2011 01:11:17 AM
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I think most of us do, but I don't think you've contemplated the facts thoroughly
- 11/05/2011 03:53:30 AM
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So...
- 11/05/2011 03:11:35 AM
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Re: So...
- 11/05/2011 03:51:57 AM
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Wait, we have that?
- 11/05/2011 04:44:10 AM
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- 11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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- 11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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Yea, I tend to skim when your posts get too long, unless their life-or-death, so to speak. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 06:45:07 AM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
- 11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
- 11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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Yes, but sometimes that reason is that you want to bury suspicions in a wall of text
. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
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. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
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Probably not
- 11/05/2011 11:56:11 PM
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I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to decide of you are serious or not.
- 11/05/2011 05:36:59 AM
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My character claim.
- 12/05/2011 02:27:03 PM
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Good job at making yourself incredibly suspicious
- 12/05/2011 03:24:18 PM
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BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
- 12/05/2011 04:17:51 PM
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Yeah, that probably requires some explaining away
- 12/05/2011 09:13:39 PM
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Not true this time.
- 12/05/2011 11:27:55 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
- 12/05/2011 11:57:58 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
- 13/05/2011 12:01:46 AM
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Pretty much that you're wrong
- 13/05/2011 01:14:28 AM
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I am wrong, judging by Hobo's post
- 13/05/2011 01:24:38 AM
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I admit this is possible, but...
- 13/05/2011 01:36:28 AM
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Re: I admit this is possible, but...
- 13/05/2011 01:46:51 AM
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2 things about that.
- 12/05/2011 11:26:14 PM
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This is an easy misunderstanding.
- 13/05/2011 12:24:52 AM
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Actually, can we get a quick headcount?
- 15/05/2011 12:10:11 AM
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Yo.
- 15/05/2011 01:15:05 AM
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We seem to have reached an impasse
- 17/05/2011 01:07:29 PM
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Option Pick (Table)
- 17/05/2011 11:13:07 PM
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Yeah, I'm not specially fond of roleclaiming this early in the game.
- 18/05/2011 01:51:36 AM
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Okay Fox, it looks like it's gonna be you
- 19/05/2011 03:32:47 AM
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I guess that's plausible
- 19/05/2011 06:02:21 AM
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Re: I guess that's plausible
- 19/05/2011 06:19:57 AM
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It is a strategy that is most valuable the earlier you use it though.
- 19/05/2011 06:39:29 AM
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I say don't RC yet. Wait for us to discuss my claim and where to go from here. *NM*
- 19/05/2011 03:35:49 PM
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Okay, cop claim in play, so what do we want to do?
- 19/05/2011 06:01:55 AM
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Even if he has been outed as the cop
- 19/05/2011 06:24:31 AM
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Hm. The roleblocker is a pretty big thing. If one of us is cop though, come foward
- 19/05/2011 06:54:30 AM
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It also ties up their roleblocker though.
- 19/05/2011 06:56:29 AM
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The one thing that makes me slightly suspect the claim
- 19/05/2011 12:49:38 PM
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Nevermind
- 19/05/2011 12:51:44 PM
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Anyway, you would think that because of my previously flub ups, I'd learn.
- 19/05/2011 03:43:09 PM
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"Because I've demonstrated a penchant for making mistakes, obviously this time is for real."
- 19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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- 19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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OK then, I'll RC
- 20/05/2011 07:23:07 PM
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Makes sense to me.
- 22/05/2011 05:43:56 PM
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I'm the cop.
- 22/05/2011 09:50:11 PM
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Well this was easier than expected.
- 22/05/2011 10:24:52 PM
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Wow, yeah. Wtf is this? Vote: Darth Katie. *NM*
- 23/05/2011 12:15:14 AM
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Hmm...
- 23/05/2011 01:42:32 AM
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We can make an argument to lynch her purely off the "lynch all liars" rule as F-T said.
- 23/05/2011 02:10:11 AM
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*Hits self in the face repeatedly*
- 23/05/2011 09:19:40 AM
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Did I mention I didn't get a lot of sleep last night?
- 23/05/2011 09:25:15 AM
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I can believe that at least
- 23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
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- 23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
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Oh please
- 23/05/2011 02:35:28 PM
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This would all be more believable
- 23/05/2011 03:32:31 PM
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I didn't remember that about Option B
- 23/05/2011 03:52:11 PM
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I will *Unvote* for now
- 23/05/2011 05:42:22 PM
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You don't approve of a doctor that can protect himself?
- 23/05/2011 11:23:58 PM
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Yeah, this is what I expected the other plausible screw-up to be.
- 23/05/2011 07:10:46 PM
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So... Fox and DK have both claimed cop?
- 23/05/2011 02:34:30 AM
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Well, now the switch around to a Doc claim.
- 23/05/2011 03:56:48 PM
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He's Beloved though (if he's not scum)
- 23/05/2011 04:07:06 PM
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Yeah, this whole thing didn't really work out too well
- 23/05/2011 04:38:30 PM
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It's been an unmitigated disaster
- 23/05/2011 06:01:23 PM
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So, uh... Wow.
- 23/05/2011 07:38:36 PM
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Before this Mass RC idea takes hold...
- 23/05/2011 07:59:18 PM
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All right...
- 23/05/2011 08:29:28 PM
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Possibly
- 23/05/2011 08:51:52 PM
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Was it Kronin or Gher that did the whole "everyone is a robot with a Backup Role" game?
- 23/05/2011 11:28:05 PM
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I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
- 23/05/2011 08:21:26 PM
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Re: I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
- 23/05/2011 08:41:10 PM
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Another point against Isaac:
- 23/05/2011 11:32:14 PM
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Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
- 23/05/2011 11:54:19 PM
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Re: Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
- 24/05/2011 12:28:24 AM
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So, seeing no objections to the mass character claim, let's start!
- 26/05/2011 01:16:36 AM
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Character Claims (table)
- 26/05/2011 02:48:44 AM
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Okay here goes.
- 26/05/2011 09:32:59 PM
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I'm Zeno. *NM*
- 27/05/2011 01:40:47 AM
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How paradoxical... I actually thought Xena for a moment
- 27/05/2011 03:08:57 AM
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I guess Xena is close, though it might take a while to get from there to Zeno.
- 27/05/2011 05:55:32 AM
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All right
- 28/05/2011 10:33:48 PM
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Re: All right
- 29/05/2011 12:42:12 AM
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Re: All right
- 31/05/2011 07:09:31 AM
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Heh, looks like I'm holding out for no particular reason.
- 30/05/2011 07:11:21 PM
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Kronin, what are we doing about Scott's continued absence?
- 29/05/2011 11:38:52 PM
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Yeah, I've been waiting on Scott's situation to resolve before doing anything
- 30/05/2011 02:04:07 AM
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Vote: Scott Blademaster
- 30/05/2011 10:23:50 PM
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While I generally agree with your reasoning...
- 31/05/2011 12:10:35 AM
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I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
- 31/05/2011 12:28:44 AM
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Re: I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
- 31/05/2011 01:28:49 AM
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I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 01:08:26 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 01:35:31 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 03:28:20 AM
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Meh, I'm not exactly averse to lynching Scott...
- 31/05/2011 05:25:14 AM
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So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
- 31/05/2011 04:02:14 PM
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I'm a bit confused at the moment.
- 31/05/2011 06:27:26 PM
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Obviously, I would be against lynching me.
- 31/05/2011 07:41:15 PM
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I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 31/05/2011 10:11:32 PM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 01/06/2011 12:37:36 AM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 01/06/2011 09:27:32 PM
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Re: So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
- 31/05/2011 08:13:17 PM
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Responses!
- 31/05/2011 10:41:38 PM
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Re: Responses!
- 01/06/2011 02:32:22 AM
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That is an awful lot of talking to refute me
- 01/06/2011 04:41:13 AM
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I could go find my mallet again if brevity is desired, glad you've acknowledged I refuted you though
- 01/06/2011 05:18:46 AM
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About ?
- 01/06/2011 09:41:44 PM
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Huh, that was way more revealing than expected
- 01/06/2011 10:30:55 PM
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It IS pretty hard to say "Oh, well he's a new player" at this point *NM*
- 02/06/2011 12:40:32 AM
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Kronin actually hasn't answered my question about last Night yet.
- 02/06/2011 03:17:05 AM
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Well, I do sincerely doubt a philosopher's ring is in play
- 31/05/2011 10:39:41 PM
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Ohhhh! You know, I looked up a bunch of famous Spartans on Wikipedia when I read that
- 31/05/2011 10:44:05 PM
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I'm decently suspicious of ranagrande.
- 01/06/2011 03:55:26 PM
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True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
- 01/06/2011 06:47:36 PM
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Re: True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
- 01/06/2011 08:36:40 PM
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I don't think it's such a great idea Fox
- 01/06/2011 08:37:12 PM
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Re: I don't think it's such a great idea Fox
- 01/06/2011 08:52:28 PM
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Hey, sorry all.
- 02/06/2011 04:45:45 AM
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No questions in particular
- 02/06/2011 05:10:52 AM
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Thoughts
- 02/06/2011 05:09:37 AM
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So couple of things:
- 02/06/2011 09:05:16 AM
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Well, basically DK's "Thoughts" post sums up my thoughts pretty well.
- 03/06/2011 01:34:52 AM
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Yeah, he seems to be prime suspect.
- 03/06/2011 12:48:30 PM
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I will also Vote: ?
- 04/06/2011 01:56:32 AM
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Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched. *NM*
- 04/06/2011 03:14:43 AM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
- 04/06/2011 12:18:53 PM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
- 04/06/2011 02:28:49 PM
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So, our titular rolling ball seems to be headed straight at ?. ?, do you have any thoughts? *NM*
- 03/06/2011 02:53:37 AM
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I am ?'s Mason Partner.
- 04/06/2011 06:44:26 PM
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I am itching to vote for him right now.
- 04/06/2011 07:01:34 PM
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That's true. Not only did he prematurely roleclaim, he prematurely FALSELY roleclaimed *NM*
- 04/06/2011 09:06:22 PM
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In my opinion that doesn't help him at all.
- 04/06/2011 07:41:00 PM
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I don't think there's much point in waiting on ? anymore
- 04/06/2011 09:31:26 PM
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I do agree...BUUUUTTTT
- 04/06/2011 09:58:09 PM
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Vote: ?
- 05/06/2011 12:56:57 AM
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I WOULD like to hear what ? has to say... but he's certainly taking his sweet time
- 05/06/2011 01:19:42 AM
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Twilight
- 05/06/2011 08:42:02 PM
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Re: Twilight
- 05/06/2011 09:13:07 PM
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Scott, being dead, was not included in the VNTL. *NM*
- 05/06/2011 10:26:22 PM
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I think he meant 'what was Scott?' *NM*
- 06/06/2011 12:27:07 AM
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I suppose this place is as good as any to say, Happy Birthday Gher! *NM*
- 06/06/2011 08:26:56 PM
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*NM*