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My case isn't that I have a "hunch," it's that Isaac is acting the way he would if he was scum! beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 21/08/2012 08:39:11 PM
I originally stated it as a "hunch," as a way to sum up that I had a bad feeling about Isaac. When I was (rightly) pressed for a better argument, I answered:


OK, I'll try to articulate why I'm suspicious of you:

1. You're posting enough to stay visible, but haven't voiced suspicion of anyone.

Actually, have you even done the "pick a person to make a case against" thing that we're all doing?

Classic scum activity is to let the town present a lynch target and then agree, so it can't be traced to you. I find it a little... suspicious... that suddenly eyes are moving towards me, eh?

2. You've gotten cocky.

You said yourself that people rarely try to lynch you, and I think that it's made you overconfident.

3. You muddy the waters.

People have accused you of getting verbose when you're scum, but that's not true. However, you do become more convoluted, both with your plans and explanations. Earlier, in this post: http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/257420/ you came up with a plan similar to what we're doing now, except with an interesting voting system.

I'm not saying it was a BAD plan- you generally try to stay as pro-town as possible, I've noticed- but it was complex, and would do very well in tracking everyone's intentions.



More to the point, look at how Isaac has acted in the last couple of days. Reducing my entire argument to "Oh, beet wants us to lynch on a hunch" is a classic move.

Here is what happened: Isaac actually did have stuff going on in real life (he rarely lies unless he has to). This meant that he wasn't going to be taking charge on the first day, and would be willing to vote for whoever.

When the game hit a plateau, he tried to create a system that would give the scum very good plausible deniability (the whole "everyone gets 3 votes" thing).

Things progressed as normal, with no real candidate coming into focus, until I accused him. He then seized on this, whereas if he was town he'd be more likely to have the attitude of "beet is well-intentioned but misguided."

I realize the "I wouldn't do this if I was scum" argument can be suspect, but it's not in this case. Isaac uses the example of minor tactical mistakes, but this has been pretty much my entire talking point for my last dozen posts. If I was a scum, I would have backed off long ago.
I amuse myself.
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My case isn't that I have a "hunch," it's that Isaac is acting the way he would if he was scum! - 21/08/2012 08:39:11 PM 1921 Views
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my anime game - 25/08/2012 02:21:57 PM 1581 Views
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