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Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn Send a noteboard - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM

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I suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.

Fanatic_Templar:

View original postMe, I already told you that my objectives don't require me to lynch anybody. And I'm not even a foreigner, so I don't even need to kill the Hippos in self-defence. Now, because I'm still town-aligned I tried to help you guys out, but if you think I'm going to drag you kicking and screaming to a lynch in this game, you may want to reevaluate the situation. I am totally fine with no-lynching all game long, this time.

ranagrande

View original postI am a survivor. So when FT said his role didn't explicitly require killing, that's what I immediately thought of. Two survivors would be unlikely, but I already suspect that we have some quirks in the game setup.

Taiga

View original postYes I got an objective, but there is no need for killing or lynching per se too...maybe that counts for all of us (that would certainly explain the almost permanent stalling of this game..)

Praziquantel

View original postI probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I have to agree. There's nothing that compels me to lynch someone and given that we haven't lost anyone at night either (while at the same time our town roles apparently got some info), I don't see the harm in another no lynch. (...) In any case, as far as I can tell, I have nothing to gain personally from eliminating any of them. So, like you, I am content with another no lynch in hopes that we will have some useful info/revelations tomorrow.

On the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281293/">Bergioyn doesn't say</a>, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281594/">She herself said she wasn't.</a> Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.

This leaves two we don't know yet: ? and Sacrilicious Toast. If they can chime in: please do.

So, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.
What kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?

So, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.

May I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/280879/">Praz's rough timeline</a> Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?
This could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.

(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)

Undead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.

Any more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:

Vote: Taiga.


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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2337 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 980 Views
Not a modkill - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1333 Views
Also not a self-kill - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1394 Views
Notes from Mod - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1445 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1458 Views
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Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1616 Views
We have learned quite a bit. - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1538 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1496 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1413 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1366 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1425 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1382 Views
Did your hat do anything? - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1384 Views
No. - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1439 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 893 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1468 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 867 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 833 Views
He might've been replaced. - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1379 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1519 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1525 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1395 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1398 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1443 Views
Question [table] - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1506 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1331 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 847 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 821 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 840 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1394 Views
EBWOP - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1452 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1893 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 840 Views
Re: Question [table] - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1500 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 855 Views
Me neither. *NM* - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1215 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1519 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 830 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 778 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1359 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 840 Views
You know what surprises me? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1406 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 812 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 776 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 847 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1591 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1473 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 867 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 779 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 872 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1449 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1368 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 776 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1377 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 821 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 774 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 833 Views
Event Resolution - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1413 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 873 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1208 Views
And? What happened to you guys? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1445 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 2030 Views
Hm, well that's something - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1283 Views
To add - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1413 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1375 Views
As did I. *NM* - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 784 Views
Me too *NM* - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 788 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 800 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1387 Views
I chose Option 8. - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1376 Views
Re: Event Resolution - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1303 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1473 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1376 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1378 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1409 Views
I followed the dwarf - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1477 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1324 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1283 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1321 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 797 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1348 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1508 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1260 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 693 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1644 Views
ROFL! *NM* - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 760 Views
Sorry for my absence - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1320 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1285 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 836 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1678 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1374 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1311 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1356 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1962 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1511 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1691 Views
So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1318 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1278 Views
I don't believe it either. - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1454 Views
Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1303 Views
Nice try. - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1393 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1356 Views
Re: Nice try. - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1555 Views
I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1608 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 796 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1330 Views
That was part of my reasoning - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1336 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1399 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1433 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1433 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1327 Views
Honestly I am torn. - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1312 Views
I do not claim this. - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1347 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1336 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1419 Views
Have a good trip - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1514 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1354 Views
No I haven't. - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1349 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1337 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1445 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1296 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1392 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 771 Views
Me neither - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1330 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 878 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1296 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1336 Views
Re: Mostly because .... - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1275 Views
Thanks! - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1481 Views
What is the case against Taiga? - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1391 Views
How awkward - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1347 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1330 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 764 Views
Vote Tracker - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1297 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1323 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1370 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1329 Views
Nice timing. *NM* - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 886 Views
Vote Tracker - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1271 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1266 Views
Seems like a silly excuse - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1350 Views
Not really. - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1334 Views
Reaching for what? - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1402 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 777 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1317 Views
So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1366 Views
Re: So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1463 Views
Re: Not really. - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1591 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1389 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1255 Views
Twilight 3 - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1656 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1395 Views
I think most of us will - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1372 Views

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