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Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast Send a noteboard - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM

View original postI suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.


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View original postMe, I already told you that my objectives don't require me to lynch anybody. And I'm not even a foreigner, so I don't even need to kill the Hippos in self-defence. Now, because I'm still town-aligned I tried to help you guys out, but if you think I'm going to drag you kicking and screaming to a lynch in this game, you may want to reevaluate the situation. I am totally fine with no-lynching all game long, this time.






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View original postI am a survivor. So when FT said his role didn't explicitly require killing, that's what I immediately thought of. Two survivors would be unlikely, but I already suspect that we have some quirks in the game setup.






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View original postYes I got an objective, but there is no need for killing or lynching per se too...maybe that counts for all of us (that would certainly explain the almost permanent stalling of this game..)




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View original postI probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I have to agree. There's nothing that compels me to lynch someone and given that we haven't lost anyone at night either (while at the same time our town roles apparently got some info), I don't see the harm in another no lynch. (...) In any case, as far as I can tell, I have nothing to gain personally from eliminating any of them. So, like you, I am content with another no lynch in hopes that we will have some useful info/revelations tomorrow.




View original postOn the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281293/">Bergioyn doesn't say</a>, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281594/">She herself said she wasn't.</a> Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.


View original postThis leaves two we don't know yet: ? and Sacrilicious Toast. If they can chime in: please do.


View original postSo, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.


View original postWhat kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?


View original postSo, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.


View original postMay I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/280879/">Praz's rough timeline</a> Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?


View original postThis could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.


View original post(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)


View original postUndead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.


View original postAny more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:


View original postVote: Taiga.

My character is a good guy, wouldn't hurt a fly.

ooh it's all sticky
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2472 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 1057 Views
Not a modkill - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1448 Views
Also not a self-kill - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1503 Views
Notes from Mod - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1572 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1566 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 2171 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1736 Views
We have learned quite a bit. - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1661 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1626 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1525 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1461 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1536 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1515 Views
Did your hat do anything? - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1500 Views
No. - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1537 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 967 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1566 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 968 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 891 Views
He might've been replaced. - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1499 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1643 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1707 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1544 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1516 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1554 Views
Question [table] - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1637 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1452 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 909 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 901 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 910 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1518 Views
EBWOP - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1568 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 2048 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 891 Views
Re: Question [table] - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1621 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 981 Views
Me neither. *NM* - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1310 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1640 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 883 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 848 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1522 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 910 Views
You know what surprises me? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1519 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 861 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 847 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 917 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1664 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1592 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 938 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 856 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 944 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1563 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1495 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 875 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1495 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 898 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 831 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 926 Views
Event Resolution - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1606 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 946 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1283 Views
And? What happened to you guys? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1604 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 2157 Views
Hm, well that's something - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1418 Views
To add - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1529 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1480 Views
As did I. *NM* - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 851 Views
Me too *NM* - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 858 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 855 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1505 Views
I chose Option 8. - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1494 Views
Re: Event Resolution - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1439 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1593 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1498 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1491 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1523 Views
I followed the dwarf - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1604 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1457 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1405 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1447 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 851 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1455 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1637 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1306 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 770 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1795 Views
ROFL! *NM* - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 819 Views
Sorry for my absence - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1422 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1404 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 894 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1792 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1483 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1419 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1495 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 2080 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1656 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1796 Views
So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1424 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1397 Views
I don't believe it either. - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1574 Views
Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1410 Views
Nice try. - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1540 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1484 Views
Re: Nice try. - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1665 Views
I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1713 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 875 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1436 Views
That was part of my reasoning - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1464 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1532 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1564 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1542 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1450 Views
Honestly I am torn. - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1421 Views
I do not claim this. - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1468 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1437 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1553 Views
Have a good trip - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1631 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1454 Views
No I haven't. - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1448 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1482 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1565 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1398 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1507 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 830 Views
Me neither - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1428 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 928 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1392 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1467 Views
Re: Mostly because .... - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1403 Views
Thanks! - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1606 Views
What is the case against Taiga? - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1498 Views
How awkward - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1470 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1433 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 825 Views
Vote Tracker - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1400 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1441 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1496 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1437 Views
Nice timing. *NM* - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 954 Views
Vote Tracker - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1367 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1374 Views
Seems like a silly excuse - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1476 Views
Not really. - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1430 Views
Reaching for what? - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1543 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 863 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1420 Views
So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1490 Views
Re: So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1578 Views
Re: Not really. - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1711 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1492 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1370 Views
Twilight 3 - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1789 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1507 Views
I think most of us will - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1500 Views

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