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Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast Send a noteboard - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM

View original postI suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.


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View original postMe, I already told you that my objectives don't require me to lynch anybody. And I'm not even a foreigner, so I don't even need to kill the Hippos in self-defence. Now, because I'm still town-aligned I tried to help you guys out, but if you think I'm going to drag you kicking and screaming to a lynch in this game, you may want to reevaluate the situation. I am totally fine with no-lynching all game long, this time.


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View original postI am a survivor. So when FT said his role didn't explicitly require killing, that's what I immediately thought of. Two survivors would be unlikely, but I already suspect that we have some quirks in the game setup.


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View original postTaiga


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View original postYes I got an objective, but there is no need for killing or lynching per se too...maybe that counts for all of us (that would certainly explain the almost permanent stalling of this game..)


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View original postPraziquantel


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View original postI probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I have to agree. There's nothing that compels me to lynch someone and given that we haven't lost anyone at night either (while at the same time our town roles apparently got some info), I don't see the harm in another no lynch. (...) In any case, as far as I can tell, I have nothing to gain personally from eliminating any of them. So, like you, I am content with another no lynch in hopes that we will have some useful info/revelations tomorrow.


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View original postOn the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281293/">Bergioyn doesn't say</a>, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281594/">She herself said she wasn't.</a> Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.


View original postThis leaves two we don't know yet: ? and Sacrilicious Toast. If they can chime in: please do.


View original postSo, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.


View original postWhat kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?


View original postSo, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.


View original postMay I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/280879/">Praz's rough timeline</a> Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?


View original postThis could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.


View original post(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)


View original postUndead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.


View original postAny more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:


View original postVote: Taiga.

My character is a good guy, wouldn't hurt a fly.

ooh it's all sticky
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2266 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* beetnemesis - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 943 Views
Not a modkill Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1271 Views
Also not a self-kill Isaac - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1345 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1385 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1409 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Yunalesca - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 1964 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1553 Views
We have learned quite a bit. ranagrande - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1476 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? Fanatic-Templar - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1435 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? Taiga - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1359 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected Artsapat - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1306 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected ranagrande - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1367 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. beetnemesis - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1320 Views
Did your hat do anything? beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1325 Views
No. ranagrande - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1373 Views
+1 *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 833 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Praziquantel - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1408 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 803 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* Praziquantel - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 805 Views
He might've been replaced. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1316 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1470 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1437 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1342 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? ? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1345 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, Artsapat - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1394 Views
Question [table] Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1441 Views
Re: Question [table] Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1268 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 811 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* beetnemesis - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 777 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* Taiga - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 806 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1334 Views
EBWOP Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1393 Views
Re: Question [table] Yunalesca - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1816 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 809 Views
Re: Question [table] Taiga - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1442 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* ? - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 817 Views
Me neither. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1179 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1459 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 798 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 746 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked Artsapat - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1303 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 792 Views
You know what surprises me? ? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1346 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 785 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* ? - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 747 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* ? - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 798 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* Yunalesca - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1555 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty Sacrilicious Toast - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1428 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 836 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* Taiga - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 745 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 842 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1385 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? Artsapat - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1310 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 744 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... Artsapat - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1302 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* Isaac - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 774 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* beetnemesis - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 743 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* Isaac - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 771 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1347 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 843 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* Yunalesca - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1175 Views
And? What happened to you guys? ? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1373 Views
I found and beat up a Hippo, but he claims the Hippo's had nothing to do with the bridge. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 06:26:27 PM 765 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? Yunalesca - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 1959 Views
Hm, well that's something Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1238 Views
To add Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1362 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) beetnemesis - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1318 Views
As did I. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 752 Views
Me too *NM* Taiga - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 758 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 767 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. Sacrilicious Toast - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1331 Views
I chose Option 8. ranagrande - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1322 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1239 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1394 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it beetnemesis - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1303 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1300 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1344 Views
I followed the dwarf ? - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1422 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1258 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1234 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1260 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* ranagrande - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 769 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" beetnemesis - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1279 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* ranagrande - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1457 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1234 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* beetnemesis - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 670 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors Artsapat - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1559 Views
ROFL! *NM* Isaac - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 729 Views
Sorry for my absence Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1250 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend Artsapat - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1225 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 811 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1609 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1323 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1247 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1282 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1899 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1415 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1632 Views
So: you're number FIVE? Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1261 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1213 Views
I don't believe it either. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1391 Views
Speaking of believability issues... Fanatic-Templar - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1244 Views
Nice try. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1320 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1292 Views
Re: Nice try. Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1482 Views
I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1544 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* ? - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 771 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ? - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1274 Views
That was part of my reasoning Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1267 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ranagrande - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1342 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1374 Views
Vote: ranagrande Bergioyn - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1363 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1279 Views
Honestly I am torn. ? - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1256 Views
I do not claim this. ? - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1304 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM 1564 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Taiga - 09/12/2013 09:12:08 AM 1293 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear ? - 10/12/2013 02:27:52 AM 1300 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th Isaac - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1281 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1352 Views
Have a good trip Praziquantel - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1463 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? beetnemesis - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1303 Views
No I haven't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1303 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1257 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1377 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1249 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1324 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 734 Views
Me neither Taiga - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1275 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 853 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1245 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1289 Views
Re: Mostly because .... Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1217 Views
Thanks! beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1411 Views
What is the case against Taiga? beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1322 Views
How awkward Taiga - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1287 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1273 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* Taiga - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 736 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1242 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 Isaac - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1270 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1312 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1272 Views
Nice timing. *NM* Bergioyn - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 867 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1208 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1198 Views
Seems like a silly excuse Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1288 Views
Not really. beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1270 Views
Reaching for what? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1318 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 741 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1255 Views
So, your argument is: beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1318 Views
Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1408 Views
Re: Not really. Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1539 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. ? - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1338 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) Isaac - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1208 Views
Twilight 3 Isaac - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1589 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 ranagrande - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1328 Views
I think most of us will Artsapat - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1310 Views
We tend to have a small spike between Xmas and New Years I've noticed Isaac - 23/12/2013 01:23:00 PM 1233 Views
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