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Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast Send a noteboard - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM

View original postI suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.


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View original postMe, I already told you that my objectives don't require me to lynch anybody. And I'm not even a foreigner, so I don't even need to kill the Hippos in self-defence. Now, because I'm still town-aligned I tried to help you guys out, but if you think I'm going to drag you kicking and screaming to a lynch in this game, you may want to reevaluate the situation. I am totally fine with no-lynching all game long, this time.


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View original postI am a survivor. So when FT said his role didn't explicitly require killing, that's what I immediately thought of. Two survivors would be unlikely, but I already suspect that we have some quirks in the game setup.


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View original postTaiga


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View original postYes I got an objective, but there is no need for killing or lynching per se too...maybe that counts for all of us (that would certainly explain the almost permanent stalling of this game..)


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View original postPraziquantel


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View original postI probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I have to agree. There's nothing that compels me to lynch someone and given that we haven't lost anyone at night either (while at the same time our town roles apparently got some info), I don't see the harm in another no lynch. (...) In any case, as far as I can tell, I have nothing to gain personally from eliminating any of them. So, like you, I am content with another no lynch in hopes that we will have some useful info/revelations tomorrow.


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View original postOn the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281293/">Bergioyn doesn't say</a>, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281594/">She herself said she wasn't.</a> Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.


View original postThis leaves two we don't know yet: ? and Sacrilicious Toast. If they can chime in: please do.


View original postSo, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.


View original postWhat kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?


View original postSo, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.


View original postMay I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/280879/">Praz's rough timeline</a> Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?


View original postThis could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.


View original post(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)


View original postUndead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.


View original postAny more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:


View original postVote: Taiga.

My character is a good guy, wouldn't hurt a fly.

ooh it's all sticky
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2353 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* beetnemesis - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 985 Views
Not a modkill Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1347 Views
Also not a self-kill Isaac - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1409 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1456 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1469 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Yunalesca - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 2053 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1626 Views
We have learned quite a bit. ranagrande - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1550 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? Fanatic-Templar - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1521 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? Taiga - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1424 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected Artsapat - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1377 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected ranagrande - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1433 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. beetnemesis - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1402 Views
Did your hat do anything? beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1393 Views
No. ranagrande - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1449 Views
+1 *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 912 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Praziquantel - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1475 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 875 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* Praziquantel - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 842 Views
He might've been replaced. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1401 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1532 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1568 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1416 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? ? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1406 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, Artsapat - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1458 Views
Question [table] Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1513 Views
Re: Question [table] Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1343 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 855 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* beetnemesis - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 843 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* Taiga - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 856 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1410 Views
EBWOP Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1458 Views
Re: Question [table] Yunalesca - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1911 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 845 Views
Re: Question [table] Taiga - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1508 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* ? - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 883 Views
Me neither. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1240 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1530 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 835 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 783 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked Artsapat - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1386 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 863 Views
You know what surprises me? ? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1418 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 816 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* ? - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 785 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* ? - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 855 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* Yunalesca - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1595 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty Sacrilicious Toast - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1483 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 879 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* Taiga - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 787 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 887 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1456 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? Artsapat - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1380 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 803 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... Artsapat - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1394 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* Isaac - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 827 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* beetnemesis - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 779 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* Isaac - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 853 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1452 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 895 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* Yunalesca - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1216 Views
And? What happened to you guys? ? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1459 Views
I found and beat up a Hippo, but he claims the Hippo's had nothing to do with the bridge. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 06:26:27 PM 797 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? Yunalesca - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 2044 Views
Hm, well that's something Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1295 Views
To add Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1426 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) beetnemesis - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1383 Views
As did I. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 793 Views
Me too *NM* Taiga - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 797 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 807 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. Sacrilicious Toast - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1401 Views
I chose Option 8. ranagrande - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1392 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1310 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1485 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it beetnemesis - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1386 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1385 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1416 Views
I followed the dwarf ? - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1483 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1334 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1290 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1331 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* ranagrande - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 802 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" beetnemesis - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1359 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* ranagrande - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1517 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1266 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* beetnemesis - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 701 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors Artsapat - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1663 Views
ROFL! *NM* Isaac - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 768 Views
Sorry for my absence Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1332 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend Artsapat - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1294 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 845 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1689 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1386 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1316 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1370 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1970 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1526 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1703 Views
So: you're number FIVE? Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1329 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1288 Views
I don't believe it either. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1464 Views
Speaking of believability issues... Fanatic-Templar - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1310 Views
Nice try. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1405 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1370 Views
Re: Nice try. Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1569 Views
I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1616 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* ? - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 802 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ? - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1339 Views
That was part of my reasoning Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1349 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ranagrande - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1414 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1442 Views
Vote: ranagrande Bergioyn - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1441 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1344 Views
Honestly I am torn. ? - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1321 Views
I do not claim this. ? - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1356 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM 1628 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Taiga - 09/12/2013 09:12:08 AM 1360 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear ? - 10/12/2013 02:27:52 AM 1364 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th Isaac - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1344 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1431 Views
Have a good trip Praziquantel - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1534 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? beetnemesis - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1361 Views
No I haven't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1357 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1355 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1457 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1308 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1403 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 777 Views
Me neither Taiga - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1339 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 885 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1306 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1348 Views
Re: Mostly because .... Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1295 Views
Thanks! beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1489 Views
What is the case against Taiga? beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1395 Views
How awkward Taiga - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1363 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1338 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* Taiga - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 768 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1306 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 Isaac - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1336 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1381 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1338 Views
Nice timing. *NM* Bergioyn - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 889 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1279 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1277 Views
Seems like a silly excuse Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1361 Views
Not really. beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1344 Views
Reaching for what? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1416 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 782 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1328 Views
So, your argument is: beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1379 Views
Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1472 Views
Re: Not really. Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1604 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. ? - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1402 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) Isaac - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1266 Views
Twilight 3 Isaac - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1669 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 ranagrande - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1408 Views
I think most of us will Artsapat - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1382 Views
We tend to have a small spike between Xmas and New Years I've noticed Isaac - 23/12/2013 01:23:00 PM 1303 Views
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