And because I remember watching last game from the All-Knowing Mod Seat, seeing Yuna claim Miller to cover her DF accusations (silly her, there wasn't even a true cop)
Better than the alternative, I'd suggested she pick the jailkeeper role

The problem is you simply can't verify a miller claim, except by RBing and copping them, assuming you have a RB (unlikely as town) and the RB would work (unliklely by our default house rules on passive and active).
A Miller (sometimes called an Outsider) is typified as a member of the town with an air of corruption and/or suspicion surrounding him. Thus a Miller acts like a normal Townie in every way except for one important feature: whenever a Cop investigates a Miller, the Moderator returns a guilty result, even though the Miller is pro-Town.
Sometimes an important part of a Miller role is that the player is not told this aspect of their role. Rather the Moderator assigns one person to be the Miller, but only tells him/her that the role is a vanilla townie. Thus, the Miller cannot simply claim their role Day 1 as a prevention against lynching.
Now, the miller isn't too bad a role when the miller doesn't know, because then you get a 'is the cop sane' conundrum, on the off chance the cop checks them out. The cop rarely investigates more than a quarter or third of the players. But a miller who knows, up front? I'd rather we killed FT even if he's telling the truth, just to keep this from happening again, if we kill day 1 miller claims on sight, people will stop claiming it and mods will stop including it except as 'I don't know'.
I don't think Gher would have overlooked that problem, he would have read the role over at some point, probably rereading it before fielding it, and I can't see him ignoring that over half the entry deals with how it is advised not to field the miller in this fashion, it was a major reason my heart skipped a beat when Yuna claimed it. I was waiting for someone to ask 'how do you even know?'
Now, tack this on to it, Gher is the mod, he prepped the game before the game ended and didn't know if Yuna was a miller anymore than anyone else. It is a fairly uncommon role and we rarely include uncommon roles two games in a row. This is his first mod, it would be strange for him to copy any part of the previous game, IMO. Maybe if he radically changed his game design between post-game and the start, then he might have thought 'Heck, let's give them a real miller this time', but I don't think so, he's been waiting to mod for a while now and he had nearly two months dead to prepare a game knowing his mod turn was coming up.
Would FT have RC'd as a miller if he were one? Yes, I think so. Would FT have done this as a tactic? Yes, he knows all too well that the best tactics, the only ones worth pursuing, have to be unexpected, that a DF's goal is to starty looking clean on day 1. I know it's a strategy a DF might pursue because I've considered using it on many occassions. It would only work one time, but who cares? If you're the one using it.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Rafo Mafia 4: Day 1 has ended.
- 27/01/2010 05:53:50 PM
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This is a confirmation of the prompt receival of said role message.
- 27/01/2010 08:30:45 PM
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You made it up
- 27/01/2010 09:01:31 PM
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Hmm ...
- 27/01/2010 09:21:59 PM
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Ha.
- 28/01/2010 01:28:27 AM
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It sounds like a real word.
- 28/01/2010 01:55:58 AM
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You know, I'm still irritated we haven't been able to come up with a good R1 system
- 28/01/2010 07:08:22 AM
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Well, lacking anything else...
- 28/01/2010 11:58:25 PM
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I haven't the faintest idea what they mean.
- 29/01/2010 01:30:19 AM
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Not really
- 29/01/2010 02:27:05 AM
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Let's try something
- 29/01/2010 02:47:30 AM
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alrighty then
- 29/01/2010 03:29:51 AM
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That's sufficient, thanks
- 29/01/2010 03:48:11 AM
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Yea, my message has all that.
- 29/01/2010 03:56:52 AM
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Probably
- 29/01/2010 04:10:42 AM
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Re: Probably
- 29/01/2010 07:30:48 AM
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True- most DFs would wait a bit, and be like the 4th or 5th to jump in
- 29/01/2010 08:19:43 AM
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I've got MPD
- 29/01/2010 04:22:00 AM
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Surprise, surprise: I do too.
- 29/01/2010 06:21:04 AM
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Remember when we killed the Serial Killer on Day 1? That was fun. Let's do that! *NM*
- 29/01/2010 08:20:24 AM
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I have MPD and number under 14. *NM*
- 29/01/2010 06:18:59 AM
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I like to think of the first kill as a sacrifice to the Gods of Mafia
- 30/01/2010 04:14:17 AM
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Re: I like to think of the first kill as a sacrifice to the Gods of Mafia
- 30/01/2010 04:27:53 AM
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High priests cannot be sacrificed!
- 30/01/2010 04:53:38 PM
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Some cultures, they make the best sacrifices
- 30/01/2010 05:47:46 PM
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- 30/01/2010 05:47:46 PM
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I want to roleclaim.
- 30/01/2010 07:08:11 PM
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That is, well, surprising
- 30/01/2010 08:28:04 PM
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Yeah, but I think it's best to do it now.
- 30/01/2010 09:38:49 PM
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Hm. I wonder if we're all robots inside of a Mafia simulator. *NM*
- 30/01/2010 11:20:25 PM
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Well, I'm back...
- 31/01/2010 01:43:17 AM
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Why do fencers keep appearing without me knowing of it?!?
- 31/01/2010 02:48:22 AM
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Oh, and I had my first real tournament today...
- 31/01/2010 03:23:45 AM
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Eh. Just don't listen to Issac too much.
- 31/01/2010 04:47:53 AM
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I wanna say F-T, just cause I hate Millers.
- 31/01/2010 05:10:07 AM
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But do you think a DF would try something that DFs already did in the game we just played?
- 31/01/2010 05:53:24 AM
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And on a third hand...
- 31/01/2010 07:00:22 AM
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So... back to neutral. *NM*
- 31/01/2010 03:27:58 PM
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You don't find that statement dubious?
- 31/01/2010 04:14:47 PM
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I knew Yunalseca was a Darkfriend...
- 31/01/2010 07:17:33 PM
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Everyone! Deep breaths...
- 31/01/2010 11:50:39 PM
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That's a pretty big thing to forget though.
- 01/02/2010 01:39:44 AM
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Who said anything about forgetting?
- 01/02/2010 02:53:49 AM
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It brings you protection from guilty Cop results. *NM*
- 01/02/2010 03:01:22 AM
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No...
- 01/02/2010 06:25:07 AM
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Man... I hate defending people I'm not sure about
- 01/02/2010 07:14:13 AM
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I agree with beet here.
- 01/02/2010 07:42:12 AM
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Offer alternatives then
- 01/02/2010 11:18:47 AM
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I didn't mean we shouldn't reference strategies from earlier games
- 01/02/2010 02:23:26 PM
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I agree, more or less
- 31/01/2010 05:55:11 AM
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Re: I agree, more or less
- 31/01/2010 03:34:10 PM
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Tracker is a role that sees who his target performs a Night Action on...
- 31/01/2010 03:49:24 PM
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Re: I agree, more or less
- 31/01/2010 04:19:33 PM
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Eh. I think this is going to end like Hopper.
- 31/01/2010 11:58:52 PM
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What I don't like is the fact that Millers are often not told they're Millers.
- 01/02/2010 12:08:14 AM
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Well, he could still be Mafia and have appropriate flavor.
- 01/02/2010 01:46:58 AM
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We can't just lynch Isaac on the off chance that he might be a DF.
- 31/01/2010 05:42:08 AM
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Alright, from my reading,
- 31/01/2010 10:53:52 PM
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RE: I didn't mean we shouldn't reference strategies from earlier games (horizontal scroll avoidance)
- 01/02/2010 02:46:35 PM
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I really just meant that I don't think F-T's claim of not knowing about Yuna's claim is
- 01/02/2010 06:16:11 PM
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You still haven't explained what the purpose of such a lie would be.
- 01/02/2010 07:15:35 PM
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I think the rationale was this:
- 01/02/2010 07:38:41 PM
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Beg Pardon?
- 01/02/2010 08:07:20 PM
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It's true, Isaac likes to be a leader, rather than a doer. *NM*
- 01/02/2010 11:17:02 PM
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Coward. *NM*
- 01/02/2010 11:17:21 PM
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Er... what just happened, here? *NM*
- 02/02/2010 12:55:51 AM
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I made a pointless post, decided to turn it into a semi-sarcastic insult.
- 02/02/2010 01:27:48 AM
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There's not really anything to explain
- 01/02/2010 09:20:57 PM
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Re: There's not really anything to explain
- 01/02/2010 10:03:57 PM
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Re: There's not really anything to explain
- 01/02/2010 10:33:49 PM
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Re: There's not really anything to explain
- 01/02/2010 11:11:37 PM
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Maybe you should ask one of the others to explain this to me
- 02/02/2010 12:01:48 AM
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Re: Maybe you should ask one of the others to explain this to me
- 02/02/2010 01:15:41 AM
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Right, so: A New Target
- 01/02/2010 08:03:28 PM
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Re: Right, so: A New Target
- 01/02/2010 08:20:06 PM
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Re: Right, so: A New Target *NM*
- 01/02/2010 08:48:25 PM
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Message get eaten? *NM*
- 01/02/2010 09:21:34 PM
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Apparantly... It was just a minor thing, lemme see if I remember...
- 02/02/2010 12:44:28 AM
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Right, so: Defending Myself
- 01/02/2010 11:30:38 PM
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Hmm...more accusations beyond beet's
- 02/02/2010 06:02:51 AM
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Fair question, but it's actually pretty straightforward.
- 02/02/2010 04:41:18 PM
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Your logic isn't terrible...
- 02/02/2010 04:54:54 PM
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Re: Your logic isn't terrible...
- 02/02/2010 05:42:43 PM
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Re: The random thing
- 02/02/2010 04:59:42 PM
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Nah, I anticipated this would make me the prime lynch candidate.
- 02/02/2010 08:48:19 PM
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Re: Nah, I anticipated this would make me the prime lynch candidate.
- 02/02/2010 09:23:43 PM
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Okay, so I've been reading, but I kept meaning to post on my comp. Sorry.
- 02/02/2010 06:21:12 AM
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I never tried to stop any discussion
- 02/02/2010 12:46:54 PM
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Like I said, I don't find it very suspicious, but it was just something I had seen.
- 02/02/2010 11:14:53 PM
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Kronin is at least as suspicious as Issac, or F-T
- 02/02/2010 05:09:56 PM
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That's pretty bold claim of intention.
- 02/02/2010 05:18:40 PM
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Vote: Fanatic-Templar
- 03/02/2010 04:36:52 AM
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Re: Vote: Fanatic-Templar
- 03/02/2010 03:13:57 PM
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Speaking of time...
- 03/02/2010 03:28:42 PM
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Only if it starts to grind to a halt. *NM*
- 03/02/2010 04:50:32 PM
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Re: Only if it starts to grind to a halt.
- 03/02/2010 06:52:54 PM
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Those are basically my exact thoughts on the matter as well *NM*
- 03/02/2010 09:12:35 PM
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Er... IS it active? I feel like we've kinda exhausted everything
- 03/02/2010 11:19:29 PM
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Hahaha. well, it was!
- 04/02/2010 12:59:13 AM
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"No lynch" is a bad idea. At the very least, let's lynch someone random *NM*
- 04/02/2010 04:07:00 AM
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Everybody knows my perspective on no lynches...or at least I suspect they do. *NM*
- 04/02/2010 04:09:17 AM
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So you'd rather lynch someone random over F-T? Why?
- 04/02/2010 04:35:40 AM
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Because I think F-T is almost definitely not a DF
- 04/02/2010 06:58:15 AM
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Re: Because I think F-T is almost definitely not a DF
- 04/02/2010 07:07:37 AM
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Well, yeah- a chance of getting a DF is better than no chance at all
- 04/02/2010 07:04:27 PM
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But there is a chance F-T is a DF.
- 04/02/2010 07:34:37 PM
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Fair enough...
- 04/02/2010 07:49:26 PM
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I agree with D_K actually
- 04/02/2010 08:32:09 PM
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You think F-T has less than a 29% (4/14) chance to be a DF?
- 04/02/2010 08:55:34 PM
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If a given random person is 30%, then yes, I think F-T is 29% or less
- 04/02/2010 11:20:26 PM
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I regret that I have only one life to give to the Light...
- 04/02/2010 11:00:56 PM
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- 05/02/2010 12:20:04 AM
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You know, you're still at L-3.
- 04/02/2010 11:14:40 PM
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L-2, as it were.
- 04/02/2010 11:41:10 PM
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Just had to make me incorrect?
- 04/02/2010 11:55:02 PM
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I couldn't resist.
*NM*
- 05/02/2010 01:07:59 AM
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- 05/02/2010 01:15:51 AM
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*NM*
- 05/02/2010 01:07:59 AM
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- 05/02/2010 01:15:51 AM
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Yeah, but I wasn't sure if I'd still be alive next time I came around
.
- 05/02/2010 03:12:19 AM
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.
- 05/02/2010 03:12:19 AM
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- 05/02/2010 12:20:04 AM
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I don't anyone will target you with a night action tonight, frankly.
- 05/02/2010 03:14:26 AM
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*NM*